[Spoilers] Higurashi: When They Cry - GOU - Episode 17 Discussion

Could also be someone else on a higher board acting through Satoko? Umineko spoilers btw (Saw a theory of Lambda switching pieces from Takano to Satoko, not sure I buy it, but interesting to mention regardless)

yeah but this was obviously a surprise, this is a scene we haven't seen before

For now...

Sorry for late replay, kinda forgot about this thread.

It not out of nowhere since its like most common theoryin comunity since like ep 4 or 6.

Also, I doubt that her goal is killing all of her friends, since then she has no reason to loop.

And IMO it is dumb to say that there is not a single "Why"(actually there are bunch of them) especially since R07 is not type of writer to make character murder someone with no real reason.

ANd then there is also possibility that Satoko is innocent and we all are being trolled

"As if in the original story Rika's story was well done."
yes

"It makes me laugh too much that Higurashi Gou's haters are always fans of the original"
nobody is a "hater" of higurashi gou.
Gou is just bad.
nobody cares about gou except you (and a few other fanatics).
sorry that you're so salty, but that's the truth.

"and call it a masterpiece when it has very big flaws ..."
well, yes, it's a masterpiece, and yes, it has flaws, like every single things in existence. nothing is perfect.
that doesn't mean it's not a masterpiece. feel free to disagree though.

but oh my god, how gou is massively flawed.

"And above all to mention the defects of Gou WITH POINTS NOT YET EXPLAINED IN A SERIES IN WHICH STILL 7 EPISODES ARE MISSING."
a good series is not a series that is good only at the last 7 episodes, but at every single episodes.
if it is flawed from the beginning, even if "it makes sense at the end", it is still flawed.

"The worst Higurashi fandom of the year"
you mean you ? yeah, you perfectly enter into this category.
the kind of guy always complaining, writing in capital letters to give himself more importance, and calling people that don't agree with him "haters" instead of giving any arguments. yeah you are definitively one of the worst kind of fan I have ever seen.

you should look at yourself in the mirror and reflect from your actions to change your mentality.
especially when you finish your whole argument by insulting attack on titan fans for no fucking reason.

"HEY, YOU ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO LOVE GOU OR YOU ARE A HATER, YOU UNDERSTAND NOTHING."
that's you.

EDIT : apparently your page seems to be deleted, you got banned maybe ?
if that's the case, you were probably just a troll, or some fanatic with a certain degree of autism, or both.
in any cases, if you ever see this message, try to change your attitude, you are never gonna convince anybody like this, and give even a worse image of what you try to defend.
you will always find people that disagree with you, try to be more civilized.

The thing is, there's nothing implying Satoko is a looper and the mastermind, not in the old one. But whatever.

would have felt...weird...if they started off different, no? they set the stage, and then changed it up.

"This is literally a mystery, I don't see how the last 7 episodes aren't important."
it is important story wise, BUT it is not important when you want to judge the quality of previous episodes as the previous episodes can be judged as standalones too.
no matter if you don't know everything about a show.

I let you imagine if you used your same logic in one piece where you have nearly a thousand episodes and it's not even finished yet.
"hey, you have to watch all the 1368 episodes, you can't say it's bad by watching only 473 episodes"
...
see what I mean ?

steins;gate is also an anime about mystery and there's not a single episode in the whole series that is bad, you can enjoy every single episodes without even knowing the end yet, and you want to continue watching the rest.
higurashi seasons 1 and 2 are the same thing, most of the episodes are pretty good and make you want to watch more.
this is not the case of Gou, you don't want to watch the rest of the series as the previous episodes are horrendous. kinda like if every new episodes of gou piss on the firsts 2 seasons even more.
"but you don't know the resolution of the mystery, you should continue watching higurashi being destroyed more and more, maybe it'll be good at the end"
no thanks.

"The only reason that defense is ever being brought up is because we just don't know",
yes, we don't know the end, but we know that most of the 17 firsts episodes are atrocious.

wanna see a good example ?
the satoko trauma scene :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCLLlAmdANM
this scene is so garbage in gou that the vast majority of the people thought that satoko's PTSD was real, and in top of that, they thought it was even "a more realistic depiction of PTSD than 2006 ver", and they shat on 2006 saying that it was unrealistic, like they were suddenly experts of PTSD.
and guess what, it is not supposed to be more realistic than 2006 as satoko obviously fakes her PTSD, and you can clearly see it by watching the comparison between the scenes.
if people didn't realized it and thought it was real, then the scene was just poorly executed.
I guessed it, but most people didn't. and even if I guessed it, I wasn't even sure if it was satoko faking it or just a bad remake of the scene to the point where I wanted to drop the series, and still want to this day.
another problem with this scene is how unconcerned rika is, despise satoko being her best friend. and the other ones in the room feel unconcerned too.

another example ?
they skipped the card game, the thing that was actually the best way to introduce the characters to the newcomers that never saw the 2006 ver.
instead, we have literally no introductions despise having nearly 15 years between the 2 series, which would have been cool to have some sort of reintroduction even for the 2006 viewers, and also for the pacing.

another example ?
the huge spoiler of episode 2 for those who never watched the 2006 ver. (aka Hanyuu and the parallel universes)
also, the revelations that this is a sequel should have been made way later, not that soon.

another example ?
horrible visual design
why choosing watanabe akio for the design ? I mean it's good for shows like monogatari or komugi-chan, but higurashi ? it is as pertinent as if they had chosen someone like akira toriama or miyazaki.
keiichi doesn't even have the same chara design as the opening.
every characters make the cat face every 2 seconds.
hair lighting was highly rushed (it also was in 2006 too, but it was okay for a 2006 series)
rika's hair is now horrible.
the colors are too flashy.
if the series had the same quality as the opening, I would have said nothing, but that's not the case.
here, I'm forced to compare it to other series, and when I compare it to series such as Violet Evergarden, Beastars, Yuru Camp, or movies like Madoka Movie 3, A Silent Voice etc..., yeah Gou does have very low average visual design and feels like it's already outdated, like if it was a... series from 2006.
funny thing, 2006 ver feels less outdated despite being from 2006.
2006 ver also had some design problems, but the chara-design at least was fitting higurashi.

another example ?
hanyuu's disappearance.
it was just added to add some fake drama to the story instead of being relevant to the story.

" what should we do with hanyuu ?
" no idea, let's just kill this character so that we don't need to use her in the story"

people that are newcomers and don't even know that character are not even going to care about this disappearance.
and people that know 2006 are just going to laugh at how this disappearance makes no sense and happens so suddenly with no build up.

another example ?
rika : "I'll try to get the good ending in 5 loops, or else I'll kill myself"
viewers : "there's going to have 5 new arcs to the story and we have a countdown now ? wow, that's original !"
proceeds to throw away all the 5 loops in one single episode which destroys the whole point of the previous episode.

another example ?
we already know that the weapon able to kill a looper is now "probably" going (or intending) to be used on satoko (instead of rika using it on herself) as we now know that she's a looper too (or something similar to a looper).
is this the mystery you're waiting for ? because that's not even a mistery.

another example ?
keiichi proceeding to survive after nearly 50 stabs on him and losing like 40 liters of blood in arc 1, even if some of the stabs were hallucinated, he god knifed way too much.
the whole scene was actually very comical, which is the opposite of what it should have been (AKA serious and dramatic).

another example ?
rika not dying to her torture when she should have died quicker.

another example ?
satoko being tricked way too easily, when she was not tricked for a hundred years before.
she's not even trying to hide it.

another example ?
satoko with a gun. nothing to add to that.

I'm gonna stop here. but you see my point.
don't try to argue about every points I talked about, I've already spend way too much time writing this.

my point was :
no, I don't need to watch the 7 last episodes to see the problems of higurashi gou.
even if the 7 last episodes solve 1 or 2 of those problems, the series will still have a shit ton of other problems.
and no, people not liking Gou are not "haters" or "stupid people" or whatever. they are people like you and me.

like I said in other posts, I'm just gonna continue the series, but more like with popcorn and making fun at the series.
at least, the voice actors are the same and still do an excellent job.

just in case, english is not my native language, so I did by best to explain my thoughts clearly, but I may have made a few mistakes here and there.

continue enjoying your show and have a nice day.