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[Spoilers] WONDER EGG PRIORITY - Episode 10 Discussion
Discussion thread for Wonder Egg Priority episode 10. Aired Wednesday, 17-Mar-2021 00:00:00 JST.
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What did you think of the episode? - Favorite scene/moment?
- Enjoying the series so far?
- What do you expect or want to happen next?
I'm confused about Kaoru, He said he's a boy inside but he got pregnant right, so I'm assuming that he's physically female but mentally male? So doesn't that makes her a lesbian but she denies it.
no hes trans
this is shaping up really well. i cant wait for the last 2 episodes!
I love Momo, but there is one thing that annoys me. They have repeated several times that girls have a crush on her because they think of her as a boy. Probably most of the time it is a bit like that (girls' schools, young age), but we also know that her friend saw her as a woman. So we can assume that she was a lesbian. And in that case, the love she had for Momo would be due to the fact that she is a woman. At the same time, they call all girls lesbians for whom "it does not matter whether she is a girl or a boy." We have a different name for such cases. What irritates me is the fact that they throw it into one bag and that makes Momo not feel like a woman.
Wait I'm lost can you explain? I understand momoe getting pissed because people think she's a Boy when actually she's aa Girl. Her friend is a lesbian and the boy she saved in this episode is Trans? So tbh wdym?
The anime presents us with different situations and then puts them in one bag. We know there were / probably are women in Momo's life who loved her for what she is. They saw a woman in her, and they liked it. There were also those who imagined a pretty boy in her and did not think about a real relationship at all. And at the same time, the show calls them all lesbians. I am not talking about the transsexual boy from today's episode, because he himself tells us that he is not a lesbian. And they show us how much Momo feels underappreciated, unfeminine, ugly etc. Where in the first case there are no reasons for such feelings, because they love her as a woman. Another thing is her young age, that she doesn't really know what she wants yet and the pressure of the environment. For these reasons, at this point, she may need to be accepted by men. We don't know if it will really change in her life or not. As I say, she herself does not know at this stage. But I don't want to focus on these aspects, but simply outline the pattern that anime uses and show that in my understanding they are sometimes wrong.
Just a heads up, transsexual is a bit outdated as a general term and transgender would probably be a better in most cases.
You also have to take into account that this is being translated from another language.
Yes, you are right. My mistake. As someone below pointed out, I use an translator from time to time when I have something more to say. I did not notice it. Sorry.
"Where in the first case there are no reasons for such feelings, because they love her as a woman."
Except that it has already been established that Momoe isn't a lesbian, thus her reaction and her rejecting Haruka.
She doesn't want just anyone to love her as a girl, she wants a guy to love her as a girl.I think her sexual orientation doesn't matter in this case. I don't know if you understand what I meant. And if we are talking about her orientation I don't think anything has been established yet. Her behavior in various situations is interesting and creates a character who does not know what she wants and struggles with different things. Believe me, I know what I'm talking about.
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I think her sexual orientation does matter in this particular case, yes all she wants was for people to stop judging her by the way she looks and just accept her and acknowledge that she is a girl, yes that's what Haruka did to some extent, BUT she was sexually attracted to her so that changes pretty much everything, thus why that heavily shocked Momoe.
So I don't really understand what do you mean by "there are no reasons for such feelings, because they love her as a woman" ? There is a difference between being aknowledged and accepted as a girl, and being romantically/sexually loved as a girl.
As for it being established or not, I think it is pretty much established (or at least they tried to), in episode 5, when Ai straight up asked her "But you don't like that, right?", she answers yes.
But I agree with you on the fact that she doesn't really seem to know what she wants and is struggling a lot with herself, so who knows, she might actually change.
Holy shit that episode was dark. But I did think it was pretty cool that there was a trans character, I don't think I've ever watched anything with once until now!
Great episode. An anime that talks about Death. Really interesting. It's only when you think deep about death that you start Questioning everything and find yourself in an endless loop of what reality is. Really liked the end.
I love how the fact how momoe looks masculine but is actually a Heterosexual. Most Netflix movies don't get this part correct. And assume that all masculine women are Lesbian.
GREAT take. Really enjoying this show. I honestly can't wait to see Mr Sawski real personality, is he a pedophile or is he actually a Good guy?
Everything seems to be going great, let's hope Twitter Fandom doesn't ruin it.
I honestly can't wait to see Mr Sawski real personality, is he a pedophile or is he actually a Good guy?
that's the only character i cannot understand after 10 episodes, he's so mysterious. i also wonder about it and i hope we'll get the answer soon, cause after today's episode i have a feeling he likes both ai and her mom hmmmmmm
This episode left me feeling like he does like Ai but he won't act on it, he will fantasize about Ai being an adult and date the person who most resembles her which is her mother ? It also could make sense as to why Koito commits suicide because it looks like she really was into the teacher, maybe found out that the painting was of Ai instead of herself and understood the implications, thus leading her to her end? Would also make sense why she commited suicide at the school, where the drawings were made ??
plot twist: Mr. Sawski is Thanatos
(this is a joke, but also my prediction 0.o)
plot twist: Mr. Sawaki is Thanos
That was a disturbing yet beautifully written episode
They are definitely leaving all the good stuff till the end but I am scared that it will take away from the show
Yeah, I sincerely hope they don't ruin the show with a bad ending. This show is a 9.5, maybe 10 for me.
Momo needs a fly swatter instead of an umbrella to swat the lights out of that creepy as heck bug. I'll even do it for her, let me at that disgusting stick headed butterfly. Also, props to her for being respectful of Kaoru's pronouns from the very first moments.
Best episode so far, imo! Great trans rep but I'm worried about Momoe after the ending!
Unpopular opinion, but I would have preferred the whole eggs and mannequin thing remained an unexplained plot device and just focused on the girls. It feels like the writers have too much to juggle in 2 episodes and because of that, we'll never get a good balance between character study and lore. Maybe if this were 24 episodes, but we only have 11 real episodes (bc recap).
It's a solid episode, but I'm worried they might crash in the end like Darling in the FranXX.
On a side note, I don't think any of the boss designs look good except the very first one with the censored eyes.
The bosses look oddly funny and vibrant to equal out the dark subjects being discussed. While the first boss is my favourite too, they left the boss to be simply creepy since we did not get to know what Kurumi's trauma was. Yet some of these bosses were truly scary so I think those abstract designs are to make it seem a little less dark and in your face.
thats what ive been thinking too. I dont really like that they're explaining something that shouldnt need to be explained. The anime was about these girls and their struggles and to start throwing out some greek gods in there seems out of left field for me. In the end though we'll just have to see if they can make it relate to the overall theme
this episode was awesome, i love that they included a trans person aka kaoru and i love that he accepts momoe but the end really hurt wtf so excited for the last two eps
Neiru's hair in this episode was so cute!!! i just loved it so much omg!!!! It's cute enough that I can almost ignore this episode's ending!!!
I honestly... don't have a lot to say about this episode? I felt kinda bothered that Momoe's episode was split with Ai, since all the other girls got whole episodes devoted to themselves. I felt like we didn't really get to know Momoe deeper, like we did Neiru and Rika. All we did was cover old ground, we didn't even really get a new perspective on that. I'm not gonna comment too much on the Sawaki portion of this episode bc I don't know what they intend for him at this point. I have a bad feeling this could be a red herring situation which makes me ridiculously frustrated but anyway.
Now to get on to what bothers me about this episode- the depiction of Kaoru. Not to paint a target on myself by stating I'm a nonbinary lesbian on an anime form but I'm a nonbinary lesbian so I've been burned on too many times by lackluster lgbt rep and cishet people just. not understanding lgbt issues or identities. Quite frankly i have no issue with WEP including a trans character- i for one enjoy reading Momoe as trans bc it adds an extra layer to her character. However, while the text of the show does nothing but affirm Kaoru's gender, the subtext does the exact opposite. Throughout the series, the Wonder Egg's have always been (presumably cis) girls and for a reason. And while I would usually chalk it up Acca and the other dude being rude and evil transphobes, after today's ending im not so sure. In the end, the show reveals that on some level, it believes Kaoru to be a girl, despite how much being misgendered obviously hurts him. It makes me wonder where trans girl fall in this spectrum....
Not to mention this was one of the most graphic episodes to date. I can't help but feel... jaded almost, that the one lgbt character is the only one we see actually be assaulted by whoever formed the basis for their Trauma, not to mention it was of course the trans guy who got pregnant... Though I'm gonna stop discussing this here, otherwise I'll blow a fuse.
Also, I can't NOT talk about the way the show seems to treat lesbians. Like the show seems to not understand that girls wouldn't just like Momoe bc they think she's a guy, they could like her because she's a girl who's more traditionally masculine like, y'know, butch lesbians? I swear Kira Kira Precure a la Mode and a more in-depth understanding of lesbian identities than this show that's supposed to be aimed at adults. Not to mention that Momoe's apparently discomfort with how women view her is eased when a man deems her attractive, which really goes against a lot of the earlier themes of this show.
I can't say I didn't have a bad feeling about where this show was heading, and with that ending I'm not exactly jumping to watch the next episode. I really think there's something to be said about not trusting seinen anime (y'know, shows aimed at an adult male audience) with a main cast comprised of preteen girls. Here's to hoping this is just a bump in the road, though i'm not hopeful.
About what you said about lesbians. Yes, for lesbians, it matters whether someone is a man or a woman. Here they tell us that they like women even though they are women or because they think of them as men. No, lesbians like women precisely because they are women. Different women, but always women.
I'm not quite sure what earlier themes you're referring to, but isn't Momoe's main struggle wanting to be seen as female and be attracted by those who genuinely see that? So although I feel your frustration that that could still easily be accomplished by a girl, I don't see how that goes against the themes of the show when it's done by a guy.
just refreshing ur mind but when u said that kaoru is the first to be abused thats not the case every girl who ends up there has been thru some sort of abuse
The whole thing about all the eggs thus far in the series being women was the first thing that i had thought about when i watched this episode as well. Heres my theory
The first could be that the person in the egg has nothing to do with gender, and they're individually chosen every time based on which of our main characters is buying an egg. This could be confirmed with the fact that last episode one of them (acca or ura-acca, i cant remember offhand) purposely picked Kotobuki for Neiru. it seems like Acca and Ura-acca have alot more control over things than we think, so i dont think it would be a far stretch to say that they only choose people to put in the eggs based off of the person thats buying it, and it just coincidentally happened to be all women up to this point.
There are definitely issues/plot holes with this theory but its the most interesting one i could think of.
(CW: sexual assault/suicide)
I'm really only following the anime at this point to finally get the answer to Koito's death because man, there really isn't anything good left to follow. I liked the implication at the beginning of the series that this was going to follow the girl's growth as individuals, take a look at dark themes like bullying and suicide (which is often ignored IRL because of the sensitivity of such topics), and learn about healing and moving forward. But as each episode airs, the story has transformed into yet another edgy magical girl deconstructionist anime with the barest amount of social issues tacked on without thought. This show isn't groundbreaking. The only thing it brings to the table is superficial prettiness.First, the Acca/Ura-Acca issue. They are really just tacking this on to have a big bad with no good explanation until last minute, aren't they? AND This episode literally just ignored them after setting them up as cliche bad guys (literally Kyubey is2g) after just tossing them a few "mysterious hooks" without the girls making a fuss or doing much work. LIterally, Neiru just has a picture of them. I really dislike how the anime presents issues, and even though the characters are ready to ask questions and confront it, it delays it a couple episodes. Case in point: Ai going back to school to find out about Koito a couple episodes ago and literally doing nothing until this episode. But even then, she just only now asks as the cliffhanger for the next episode.
But here's the major issue I found with this episode:
I was absolutely disappointed in how they presented Momoe from the beginning and this episode only makes things worse, in my opinion. Especially Kaoru. The dream world that the girls are fighting in are explicitly mentioned to have only females confronting the traumas of their female companions that committed suicide. Yet here, Kaoru declares himself as trans male. The entire world undermines his declaration and Momoe's easy acceptance by saying: no, you aren't male, you're a female because you are here and the universe itself considers you female. Some might even argue that it's because he is biologically female and the world only sees that, but you have to consider that this world isn't a physical one: it's a psychological and manifests only in dreams. This episode could have been made with a trans female character, and it would have been even more meaningful while still allowing Momoe to confront her problems and empathize with another person. (And before you argue it was necessary for her to fall in love, no, there was no need for that, especially when Kaoru disappeared in the end, anyways. And mind you, the friend Momoe is fighting for sees her as a woman, so that isn't the issue here with Momoe.)
And god. Did we need a full animation of Kaoru's traumatic experience with her teacher? The character whose trauma was explicitly about sexual assault didn't even get anything but a mention of her trauma, and yet, for a character whose story was centered around being transgender, we get a full out assault and explicit pregnancy mention? It's as if the people creating this show just wants trans people to suffer.
I don't think my rating would go any lower for this show, unless it's revealed that Ai's teacher also sexually assaulted Koito. God, it's as if the writer for this show believes that the only way to traumatize girls is by getting older men to prey on them.
yeah i thought the handling of trans issues was a logical error here. one could still argue that transmen's issues are inextricable from broader feminist issues, but even considering the world's logic of male and female suicides having different motivations, kaoru's presence doesn't make much sense.
that being said, it sounds like a lot of your reservations about the show are a result of the show not meeting your preconceived notions, which is not really the fault of the show. the comparison to kyubey seems easy but it's not actually applicable. kyubey "works" because it's a subversion of the mahou shoujo trope of the cute mascot/fairy, but no one should think acca and ura-acca occupy the same role, especially since if we are to entertain the allusion to mahou shoujo structure the girls already have their own mascots. the two guys were suspect from the beginning and are designed to be so, given their faceless features and their existence as the only male voices in the female psychic world; i'm not sure how you could think otherwise.
yeah, it didn't turn out as I expected, and that's why it's not the major focus of my criticisms here for this episode. it could have been better, but nevertheless I continue to watch the show for how it will use these old tropes to further its plot.
That being said, my criticisms for the accas are more that they not be a straightforward villain as we see them being presented as. I like that they were given suspicion from the very beginning, but I wanted them to be more than just the simple "Kyubey" they were set up as-- by which i mean the type of villain that is an antagonist that initially seems benevolent but only becomes evil because of their unemotional response to the character's pain in their quest to further their goals. WEP is a story about the girls' growth and healing from their traumas--and I wanted the Accas to be part of that healing in a positive way, instead of being like all the other men in the plot: greedy, suspicious, and antagonistic. Not all men are toxic, despite a good handful IRL proving otherwise LOL.
In any case, we still haven't seen their full story so I withhold any major hate until we get their full explaination (which is a criticism I made, by the way, that the story drags out cliffhangers for very little reason). Again the Kyubey comment was really just an offhanded opinion of mine, which is why I placed very little emphasis on it. My major criticisms with the series as a whole is how it brings up sensitive topics and uses them to draw out angst with no real thought into it, other than, "Man, that sucks for girls, if only we could take out the villians and end their suffering once and for all"--when these issues IRL rarely have a straightforward villain.
i agree with the acca point. this would be a good show about healing if they were actually positive forms of male influence in their lives since as you said, most men in this show are evil. most of the villains are men too. while i'm not one of those ppl that will defend men whenever someone on twitter or whatever says "i hate men" bc honestly, that's not the issue here and everything- but we need positive male influences in our life, especially with a show that is marketed as "seinen". just having men doing their ugly stuff to young girls in a show isn't enough, bc you need the contrast. so yeah, i am also a little disappointed that the acca are evil since i was kinda seeing their world as a "sanctuary" or "safe-place" for the girls, when its obviously being not that. curious abt the last little bit.
what the fuck
Okay. So. Perhaps there should have been a MtF instead of FtM storyline here as it seems that even down to the barest of psych, they considered Kaoru female when he explicitly stated that was not the case. That could have been handled better imo. At least Momoe didn't misgender him. ANd honestly, something about Momoe's storyline as a whole is just....weird. I don't know. I hope I phrased what I meant properly and please correct me if I didn't.
Also, unfortunately, I'm losing a lot of faith in this show, and fast. It looks like they're trying to tackle too much at once and adding more and more storylines that I believe would thrive with more time to develop them, only this is a measly 12 ep show. There is simply too much happening and we still don't know ANYTHING. How are they possibly going to make this work?
I'm frustrated because there was so much potential but I feel we're all in over our heads now.
I'm still going to complete the show and hopefully my feelings will change to something more positive once we get to the end.
Also........Panic :'(((((((
im really excited for the next episode because holy shit this ep was insane. i was expecting some sacrifice to happen once the tasks were complete to "resurrect" their friend b/c you can't gain something without losing something. i wonder though if they are even resurrected at all, and instead maybe the mcs are just being used to fight for thanatos (?) and once their usefulness expires they lose something. im interested to see if haruka will actually come back. also i hope they do come back because i miss kaoru
so is Thanatos like the walpurgisnacht of wonder egg priority?
ik this is a touchy subject but did they really have to bring in the gender shit man like really anime originals lol great ep tho
momoe was already dealing with that stuff - from the moment she was introduced.
this was just a little more explicit.
if you think it only just brought in these themes you haven't been paying an awful lot of attention to her entire character
