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[Spoilers] WONDER EGG PRIORITY - Episode 11 Discussion
Discussion thread for Wonder Egg Priority episode 11. Aired Wednesday, 24-Mar-2021 00:00:00 JST.
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What did you think of the episode? - Favorite scene/moment?
- Enjoying the series so far?
- What do you expect or want to happen next?
Well, as a single episode, the quality of this episode is good in animation, character design, pace and etc, but is it good to give a choutenkai (abrupt plot change) in episode 11? It makes me worry about the main plot. There is not enough foreshadowing except the word "temptation of death". The first few episodes make me think it is about family and social problems, but this episode has become about "the dangers of artificial intelligence"? It may be better to taking some time to talk about things related to the main plot like the photos of Acca-UraAcca and the AI girl before, and then focus on this episode. Now this show gives me the feeling that the scriptwriter has written a lot of things confidently, but it's not easy to finish. Oh yabeeee, now we haven't been clear about President Neiru, Koito and the teacher. Were all these neglected?…
I see whatcha mean, but I think this show ties in more on the "temptation of death" or wanting to end it all as the main plot theme. The AI girl is causing these girls to tempt towards death by creating Dot and [whatever the last episode thing's name was that killed momoe's pet] to make the girls experience more trauma of losing a friend. So, yeah, it does kinda lean on "Ai is too powerful" blah blah, but I think the author wants us to focus more on the effects of suicide and trauma--and in Frill's case--lack of understanding of the importance of life (how she takes Acca's wife's life so easily).
The danger of AI is just my joke…
As a matter of fact, as far as Frill is concerned, it is obvious that before Acca and Azusa met, she was very happy. For Frill, Acca and UraAcca were her parents, but due to the appearance of Azusa, she got less attention. She tried to regain her father's love for her by killing the outsider. She was 14 years old and was at the age of puberty when one's personality was easy to distort. This is the cause of all this and the actions that followed. I think the main idea of this show is to call on everyone to give the adolescent community more care and understanding. At this sensitive age, they are always confused and uncertain, and tragedies often happen here.
As Frill said, "Don't pretend not to see me, I was born from the two of you."
You're right in a way, but this was kind of bound to happen. I mean from the first episode there's already the question of "why do those dudes want these girls to protect the girls in the eggs?" This episode was the answer, it explains the world-building further and delves deeper into the idea of "suicide" that this show has been portraying since the start. It also kind of morphed what we THOUGHT this show was about, and made us realize there's sci-fi involved, and that honestly just fits with the whole vibe of Wonder Egg Priority lol. I don't think it was an abrupt plot change because it definitely still has to do with the main girls since they all had someone close to them suicide, which ties with Frill according to Acca and Ura-Acca.
I see what you mean, friend. Maybe I'm not using the right word. I really don't understand the use of the word choutenkai in Japanese. What I want to say is that the development of the plot was beyond my expectation (There were many words like "shi no yuuwaku" and "shinigami" in the previous episodes and they all led to guessing fantasy at that time, but this episode told you that shinigami was AI and yuuwaku was made by shinigami, which turned into science-fiction directly. Just like the boss in DARLING in the FRANXX is uchuujin) and it was placed in the penultimate episode so I felt a little surprised, because I didn't know how it could end the show in the next episode, and even made me feel that the characters of Koito and the teacher played only walk-on parts and it was impossible to tell their stories in detail.
I wonder how much this had to do with the fact that they lost an episode of time from the recap. As of right now ohto's story is the least well defined one, and since they seem to be wrapping everything up now I don't think it ever will get anything conclusive.
Some people say that the original episode 8 changed into a recap because the schedule was too hasty, and the next five episodes were compressed into four episodes. Emm, I don't disagree with this view, after all, I also feel that something is missing between this episode and the previous one. As for whether the last episode can really be a perfect ending, I think it is very difficult to tell clearly about Ai's matters such as Koito's death and the follow-up of the teacher and her mother, the rest of the three MCs' recovery from trauma, AI girl's ending, and what exactly Wonder Egg is in 20 minutes. Unless it is sacrificed with the visual performance and the theme is revealed through the conversation between Ai and AI girl…
"but this episode has become about "the dangers of artificial intelligence"?"
The episode wasn't really about the dangers of AI but more about the dangers of men's erroneous, unfounded & self-interested perception of women and their potential negative effects on other women and young girls.
The show didn't really diverge from the thematics & issues it has been adressing since the start, so I don't think you can really call this an "abrupt plot change"
Thanks for writing this out. I thought I'm the only one thinking like this.
So now we have answers on who Frill is and how she ties into those strange girls who killed Momoe's and more recently Rika's pets. I like how we got insight on Acca and Ura-Acca motives for starting the Wonder Egg project but I'm not sure where the plot will go from here since next week will be the final episode. I doubt they'll be able to wrap everything up in just twenty minutes, so I hope there'll be a season two or even a movie to perhaps expand on this story.
when was frill mentioned before i forgot?
why was ai crying at the end?
I guess the whole Frill story fucked her up. Or now she knows that her or her friends could be victims of Frill
So.
This episode was either the most brilliant, horrifying commentary ever on how patriarchy's ideal of womanhood is a destructive lie that drags all women down with it...
Or it's a sexist example of the same and a betrayal of everything this show was supposed to stand for.
There is no in between.
God, this show is fucking nuts.
Can you elaborate? I don't exactly see what you mean by the sexism and patriarchy part, I probably missed the point of this episode though
So! Frill was created by Acca and Ura-Acca to be basically the ideal daughter. But as we've seen multiple times throughout this show and as Ura-Acca himself says in this episode, neither of them actually know what women are really like. Their assumptions about femininity are often misguided or flat-out wrong. So Frill isn't actually an ideal AI girl; she's what flawed, biased men think the ideal girl is. And as we see, that "ideal" girl is actually a jealous, murderous monster who drives other girls to suicide. She's representative of the stereotypes men often force women into, and how those stereotypes can heap enough pressure on girls to drive them to suicide.
At least, that's what I think. It all comes down to whether or not the show recognizes that Frill's a projection of men's flawed perception of who women "are" or just uses her as a generic sexist temptress archetype.
Ohh, yeah I could definitley see that. I honestly can't see It being the second one at all (especially for this show), I think the first of the two options Is very accurate.
Thanks for explaining!You're welcome!
"It all comes down to whether or not the show recognizes that Frill's a projection of men's flawed perception of who women"
Isn't having the two characters who are responsible of that literally straight up saying "I doubt either of us was a good judge of women" enough to show what the writer is trying to convey ?
You would hope so, yeah. But it's gonna come down to how well the final episode(s) handle that fact. I have seen a lot- and I mean a LOT- of characters like Frill who are just evil temptresses leading men and women to their doom, even when the story feels like it's trying to do something more clever with them (flashes back to Ai Magase from Babylon). So perhaps those bad experiences are still leaving me uncertain of WEP is actually gonna stick the landing.
That said, if there's ANY show I even kinda trust to pull that off? It's this show. So color me scared, but still hopeful.
i cant really say that i can see what you're saying.
Idk im just not seeing this "idea men have of femininity" of girls driving other girls to suicide because their jealous. And how Acca and Ura-acca thought that was a thing subconsciously or consciously and programmed that into Frill. To me it just seems like while they were making a point to give her flaws, they made her too flawed and made her alot more jealous than they intended, and just never knew until it was too late.
Honestly i just dont like the way this episode is taking things cause it sort of feels like they're trying to say theres only a single reason for suicide and that sort of rubs me the wrong way, but thats a whole other thing
My first reaction after I found out that one of my friends had "done the job" that we don't know exactly what it is (did the best friend girl actually come to life as promised?) would be to talk to my friend. And that should already be the case with Momo. Now we have the same situation with Rika and still no one talked to anyone! Aren't they just curious about what happened? I hate such plot solutions.
WAIT THE BUTTERFLY GIRL WHO KILLED MANNEN AND THE CROCODRILE IS FRILL???
I dont think so, but i like how u r thinking
why dont u think so, I mean they share the same name
This is becoming too much. The plot basically went haywire starting with last episode and now they're introducing a completely new character along with backstory? I don't really see how they're gonna find a satisfying resolution to all the still unanswered questions. What are the Wonder Eggs? How is Neiru involved? What did Ura-Acca do to Frill? What exactly is everybody trying to accomplish here?
I've loved this show so far, but the sudden shock factor introduced over these past two episodes and the seemingly complete overhaul of the running plot will make it really hard to end this show on a high note. (Or even just on an acceptable low note.)
I agree, the last two have been a curveball and left me a bit confused... Maybe we'll get a movie or season 2 or something because Idk what they're gonna do with 1 ep left.
I also think the show Is mostly metaphorical so maybe they'll tie It up In a way so It's ok that a lot Is left unexplained. Maybe that's not even really the point. Either way this show definitely deserves a re-watch
Remember in the episode before Ai went to the art gallery? They didn't show us what happened there either! That was a really really important question!
Yeah, I'm not hopeful for a satisfying ending, or a well-written one. This is pretty much Darling in the FranXX ending territory, except it looks visually good.
That episode would makes sense in a 24 episode anime, but there's no buildup to this, and we sacrifice all character development. Been how long since Koito was even mentioned?
That was a lot to take in. May have to rewatch
Mannen's death was even more brutal than Panic's :(
Anyone else disappointed the show has resorted to cheap shocks? :( Also, not a fan of the science-fiction stuff. Guess it's because The Day I Became a God has ruined it for me...
How are they going to wrap everything up with only one episode left? Was quite disappointed with this episode...
I hope this ep is just setting up for another season or something like that, because if they end it on the next ep there's no way that we can have every question answered. If they really do end it on next ep, i feel as if its gonna be a major disappointment for this series
Interesting episode. I'm a bit disappointed that they turned Frill into a literal murderer. We also got no follow up with Momoe or the rest of Ai's conversation with Sawaki-sensei. I really hope the last episode(s?) will be satisfying because this episode made me really nervous.
I'm convinced (maybe just hopeful) that WEP is setting up for a 2nd season.
There is too much unknown and a lot of resolution that I can't see happening in just 1 episode. Even 3 more episodes would still struggle in telling us everything we want to know
i know it hasn't ended yet, but i hope they don't end the story next episode (well not that i care that much if they end it now or continue it, but i would be sad if it does end)
but i would LOOVE to see a season 2, maybe if we get something that would set it up for a bunch of more content and unresolved points, it would be 10x better than it already is
Can someone explain to me why Frill killed that woman? (Forgot her name) it cannot be JUST jealousy
I mean she's crazy, it really could have been just jealousy, Frill is a psycopath
I think only jealousy. Frill is designed to be attention-seeking from Acca and Ura-Acca from the start. So, how Azunyan (this name is really easy to remember than Azusa) is becoming closer to Acca made Frill think that she's going to take Acca away. I think Frill's even more devastated when she heard that its a baby girl.
They really shouldn't made one episode a recap huh because one episode isn't enough to answer every question we have and this ep kinda ignored momst of the things that happened last ep huh... Last ep's cliffhanger was Ai asking Sawaki sensei but they just blat out ignored that scene and they didn't even bother to talk about how Momoe has been struggling after last ep. Kinda dissapointed on how this series turned out at the end...
Wow. Interesting episode. A lot of people are saying that this episode has been a massive tonal shift and theme change but I argue the opposite. I personally believe 'The temptation of death', suicide and the value of life has always been the main theme of the show and that hasn't changed. Acca and Ura-acca played god when they made frill. Frill doesn't recognise the value of life as she isn't truly alive, she just thinks she is. The whole Thanatos and Eros thing is a little confusing but if the Greek gods definitively exist in this universe then you can think of the whole 'temptation of death' thing as divine retribution against Acca and Ura-acca for playing with life and allow something inhuman to parade around like a human. Even if the Greek gods don't exist in this world the point stands, they played god and there is push back from that. Frill clearly seeks 'an eye for an eye' as when one person revives, - or . claim another (panic and the turtle one) but as she doesn't care whether they're human or not shows frill's lack of understanding. Frill is creepy and I think that's on purpose to show how out of touch she actually is. Anyway, I strongly believe that there will be a season 2 because there are way too many plot points to tie up in just one episode and I doubt they can fit a battle with Thanatos, whether it be a god, human, concept or Frill herself in. The show has had very good reception so I doubt it will be cancelled over that. I love this show, I think it's the best seasonal in the best season in years so I'd be disappointed if it ended poorly.
i really like your point here.
Holy shit.
Alright, now that that's out of the way xD
This episode was terrifying and written really well IMO - they slowly turned up the heat on us in preparation for this episode, so I don't feel like this was a big tonal shift. What I'm taking away is that this show's main theme in fact WAS a very deep, dark take on what it means to be a human, including the disgusting things humans can do, the beautiful things they can do, and especially what happens when you try to be more than that/play outside of the natural "game" of humanity.
ATM, the numerous other important themes that WEP's writers wrote into the show through the backstories of our four main characters are all secondary to that main idea, and I think a lot of them are still respected/handled quite well despite not being the main focus. I commend the writers for providing commentary on them AND I completely understand those who feel that those commentaries have gone to waste by them not being developed in this episode (and, depending, not much more if any in the next) and not being a major focal point of the plot.
How Frill plays into what Acca and Ura-Acca mean by "the temptation of death", especially with Himari's death, is still slightly unclear. From what I'm getting, "temptation of death" is related to Frill and the influence/abilities she has. Something that's been shown but not told is Frill's lack of understanding of morality, what place humans have/the role they play in the universe, and our really difficult-to-describe sense of what it means to be human. Acca and Ura-Acca's understanding of this (whatever that may be to you) makes this even juicier, as their understanding could inform how Frill interprets humanitiy (they made her, of course). What "friends", "family", etc. are to Frill could be different than what they are to you and I, and how the writers are going to address this dilemna is what I'm waiting excitedly for.
Sorry for the word vomit, but this episode was a trip and a half. WEP has been blowing my mind: I'm glad I caught up and didn't sleep on it for the whole season. Whatever's gonna come of the rest of this story, whether it be season 2, a movie, or them attempting to tie everything together next week (please no not this), I'm excited and downright fucking scared for Episode 12. See y'all next week!
also everyone give Ai and the rest of the girls a goddamn hug, they need one right now
Frill is a computer after all. This whole episode reminded me of the classic book Frankenstein. In the book--for those unfamiliar with it-- the "creature" is created and then dumped, on his own to experience and learn about life for himself and from a blind man. Although AI was catered to, the same outcome occurs: the two creations don't completely understand the importance of life and easily slay those in their way thinking that life is just a game. A lot of critics believed that if the creature received a motherly figure, then he wouldn't have gone on a rampage. Maybe this is what Frill lacked, too? She had two fathers and typically men have a harder time teaching compassion and emotional subjects. Sorry, I'm an English major so I just had to point that out :^)
Thanks a bunch for bringing that up! I love that you brought up Frankenstein as a comparison piece, cause I do think similar themes are being addressed, what with Frill being nothing more than AI :D (also I really like that book lol)
I'm not sure if you've read Margaret Atwood's Oryx and Crake, but I really enjoyed that book when I read it in high school, and WEP reminds me a lot of it in a lot of ways. And no it's totally okay, don't apologize for anything: it's great that you pointed it out!! (I'm a Psych major, so I totally get the feeling haha :) )
there is NO way they can wrap everything up in one episode. Tbh i am not mad at today's episode (i actually found it rlly interesting to the plot and loved the idea and backstory) i am mad tho about the fact that it will only have 12 episodes. Instead of leaving us on such a cliff hanger that disappointed many people they could have just made it a 24 episode series.bad planning in my opinion, wish we had a manga.
Do you think Frill and Thanatos are the same person? Are they connected?
Honestly I don't see how they tie everything together in the last episode unless they plan on pinning the blame on Frill, and if they do that I feel it'll ruin the message of the entire plot thus far. I feel bad for being so pessimistic but I really wanna see a good ending for such a great show.
I'm calling it right now.
plot twist: Mr. Sawski is Thanatos.
There I said it. IT MAKES SENSE. What other purpose does he hold?
(somewhat a joke, but also a prediction)
I swear if this is the case I'MMA THROW HANDS though for real his purpose in the story has been pretty damn mysterious lol.
YOOO, ACTUALLY what other purpose does he hold??? I never really thought about it
this episode was fucking insane and I loved it but can we talk about how queer ura-acca and acca are because I assumed they were brothers but they seem to not be based on the context.. also who willingly raises kids as a family with their straight friend
What do you mean by that last question? I might get the wrong idea so please elaborate.
