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nsfw discussion: is it okay to draw child characters as adults
okay so i was on twitter recently and i came across this account:
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and then subsequently their nsfw fanart of two—mha characters i believe?—who are both minors in the anime, but are depicted as adults in their art
i don't feel comfortable sharing the entire images nor the uncensored versions, but i think you get the idea from this nsfw tweet:
and i'm a bit conflicted, but basically here's my thinking:
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because no, this isn't c.p.
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and accusing artists who draw the characters very clearly as adults of being pedophiles takes away from real issues and active pedophiles that are actually targetting children
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but i think a line can be drawn when artists draw minor characters (especially if they're younger than like 17) as only vaguely interpretable as adults—or worse still very clearly still childlike—and then claim "it's fine, they're 18"
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and that's why i'm conflicted, because on a personal level i would feel weird about drawing or consuming nsfw art that depicts characters that are canonically minors and/or are presented as childlike in the anime/manga
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but (and feel free to criticize my point here, i'm here to discuss not prove that i'm right) would this not be the same as drawing, let's say the timeskip aot characters in a nsfw context? as in they're clearly adults, completely matured and capable of having consensual sex
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i also want to note that i don't think it's okay to draw nsfw art of characters that are depicted in any way child like, including characters that are supposed to be adults, or in the fantasy genre "100s of years old" but still look like children. that's just gross. i'm just talking about characters who are drawn to be very clearly adults
idk how i feel abt it
i follow that artist on twt bc their art is so pretty but i havent seen those yet oopi think its kinda weird in my opinion like if someone made nsfw art of killua when hes 18+ id still be grossed out bc of how young he is in the anime
so if i say that i think it should count for all characters below the age of 18i think u can still follow this artist if ya want too though and just skip the art that makes you uncomfortable because i dont think its like a super super big deal. OH BUT WHAT WOULD MAKE ME UNCOMFORTABLE THOUGH is if they did like older whatever mha character or for any other show and made that underage character with someone whose like way way older than them; for ex. gon and hisoka like i wouldnt be okay with that because hisoka is still way older than him and the way that their characters are in the show?? like i couldnt even imagine doing that.
oh and the thing with the characters being older in a time skip i think its fine then bc their older, they arent the same age they were however long ago. if its OBVIOUS that theyre older i dont see any issue with that. if someone draws art of a character like shinobu from monogatari id be disgusted because shes a kid basically, doesnt matter if shes like 100000 something years old (i dont remember LOL) which u said so i agree with that.
their art really is gorgeous
and that's another reason why that kind of art personally irks me: we've never seen some of these characters in any other context besides their adolescence, which i think is different than canon timeskip/adult characters
i completely agree with that last part, and i don't know why someone would draw such risque and weird nsfw art of characters like that when you could draw literally anything else
i dont see what gives them the idea to draw them in that way either like their characters arent sexual in any way, theyre children. these characters are my age and i wouldnt want someone drawing me that way. obviously its different bc im a real person not a drawing but ya know ehhh. i think the fanon version of the characters is what gives them the idea bc people think of random noncanon things and just drag that shit and do whatever.
true omg. if we were characters and ppl would age us up when we're minors wouldn't that be messed up? its exactly the same situation here i dont get why ppl notice how serious this is :/
its a problem for sure, i just dont want people to like attack artists by calling them pedophiles or something very serious like that. we have to remember that these are just drawings and accusing people of serious things like that is really harmful and we should pay more attention to actual pedophiles and people who r being sexualized, they come first.
i generally don't think its okay bc in the anime they're minors. people can use the argument that "oh but the entire bnha anime is a flashback and the actual anime characters are canon adults" its still not okay bc the images in the anime and the scenes are of them looking like MINORS, so you're still sexualizing them as kids. For the aging up thing, i guess people have their own opinions on it but im pretty much against it esp if the characters are minors in the anime and none of their adult drawings are shown bc even if you "age them up" you're still taking that image of them when they were minors as reference to sexualize them and i don't think that's right at all. same goes to the ppl who sexualize the students from jjk (megumi is 15, for instance)
who cares, those are just drawings
tbh this argument is stupid bc the person is still sexualizing minor characters, "aging them up" by still using minors as their reference? it shows how sick their mind is and why would anyone even think of doing that? fictional characters still affect the real world somehow because actual people consume those media and sexualizing minor characters by "aging them up" is some form of pedophilia. think of it as an older man looking at a little girl quite weirdly and saying "when you're older, you'll look beautiful and you should talk to me" in a weird way bc imo its exactly like that with the characters. they may be drawings but the ppl who do this reflect how messed up our society is :( there are alot of older characters capable of consensual sex that they could draw but they decide to "age up" characters only to make them do nsfw things.
i dont see the problem? someone wants to draw deku as a 20yrs old- why tf not.
someone wants to sexualize him as a 16year old- i don't care, age of consent is p much anywhere 16 and deku is- 16 so i really don't see the problmelegality =/= moral correctness
16 should not be the age of consent anywhere. just because it is in some places doesn't mean that it's okay
if your moral compass entirely depends on what's legal and what's not, i'm sorry to say that you need to learn to think for yourself
lmao i think for myself
its a fucking drawing calm downand well, morality kind of depends on a person tbh
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also doesn't seem to understand the ties between fiction and reality and continues to use the weakest argument in the book
i'm only looking for people who have something meaningful to add to the discssion
You know, people know its drawing so they are not connecting it to real world?
If some people are not making distictions I think its them who needs help.
I have no problem with people drawing 16 years old anime/cartoon characters as whatever but it would be very different if they would draw real existing people like this.
There is nothing paedophilic or whatever about cartoon characters because they are not real, most people know the difference and know that cartoon characters are not real. So you can make cartoon characters do whatever without wanting the same thing to happen in real life or even liking it in real life.
Am I clear?
Hey, bestie, I want to say something also... Yeah, people can do sexual stuff at the age of 16, but here's one thing about this is that we don't see people doing it.... honestly, this is disgusting since the artist is aging up the characters so they can do sexual stuff together... like why the fuck would anyone like to see someone do explicit things to each other. There's a massive problem with this.
To conclude this, yes, they're drawings but saying stuff like that show's how you're accepting repulsive things like this
They are fictional characters, why not?
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ikyfl... why not??? Before I get to the point, what you're trying to say is that aging up minors so you can sexualize them is alright??? Nah, cause I know you fucking lying. First of all, aging characters up to sexualize them isn't okay even if you have them developed them physically and mentally. It's not your character to age up, and when you age a character to lewd them, it means you viewed them as attractive and lewadble when they were still a minor
Because I've seen some oldass mfs aging characters up so they can sexualize them since the character is too young for them... which basically non directly shows your inner pedo behavior.
Also, if you read what I stated, I said, "yes, they're drawings but saying stuff like that show's how you're accepting repulsive things like this" You're justifying nondirect pedoism
Lord I know I'm overreacting but this shit is nasty asl
it's fine, it's like writing fan fiction where the characters are adults - if the author decided that their characters grow up and fuck then it'd be fine; I don't see how this would be all that different
fan fiction and fanart can be in the same category its basically the same thing one is just words and the other is like drawn out. its not always fine. the characters that they based this off of are minors, where did they get the idea to start sexualizing them? they would have to use the anime as a reference from when theyre children.
"where did they get the idea to start sexualising them?" idk probably when they decided to draw them as adults? adults fuck - big deal. tbh I'm just impressed that this guy is actually drawing them as adults instead of what most people do when they make rule 34 fan art. the image we are looking at isn't two kids fucking, it's two adults - were these adults once kids? yes, most are. but in this artwork, they are adults.
I wouldn't say they're the same actually.
Excepting fanfiction which is literally just a single chapter smut fic with 0 other plot, most fanfiction that has aged up child characters also has overarching plots, struggles, drama and other things that the author wanted to explore deeper. How would the characters deal with their trauma after it's happened? What would happen if character X matured mentally after the events, went thru character growth and THEN met character Y? Their relationship would be totally different. And in this case I don't see extra sexual content as bad, since often the characters act as adults, deal with adult problems and it's usually emphasized and explored in that context.
Fanart however is rarely in a longer comic form. It very rarely has a wider context and the adult-ness of characters is not always emphasized.
So going by this, a fanfic that has, let's say, an adult Killua navigating the world and his own emotions and acting his age and dealing with adult problems - I wouldn't be against an extra smut chapter in that one. While an artist that only draws nsfw adult killua without exploring him living to adulthood and not portraying him in non-nsfw adult situations... I wouldn't support that.
imo if u have to age them up, it shouldnt be drawn. aging up seems like a way to "stay safe" as opposed to straight up lewding minors, and im positive if there was no scrutiny when drawing them as children, artists wouldnt even think of adding on a few years.
YES THIS OMFG THANK YOU FOR SAYING IT
And it's only twitter though, there are lots of similar content outside of it, but, to be honest, should we really care about preferences of some group of people? It can sound wrong, of course, but as long as it doesn't backfire on real life behavior is it that unaproppriate? At this point it's called Ephebophilia and is a disgusting peculiarity, but I don't think that people chose to be living with it.
uhm what. that's no better than pedophilia.
and this isn't about sexual preferences. it's about the way artist depict fictional characters
artists don't just draw what they're attracted to. they draw favorite characters, ships, comissions, etc. and in no way should anyone be defending the attraction to a minor of any age
I see your point and I'm not trying to debunk it, just like you I don't really appreciate these kind of things, yet still it has nothing to do with real life. Talking about artists, pretty sure they earn money from making these drawings, way more money than they would ever receive from making other kind of drawings. Most of them know it's bad, but on other hand they get payed for it, so they continue making this stuff. It's not like I'm trying to defend them, just spitting facts. Money is money, sometimes no matter how dirty they are. For an another fact I don't see any link where you can financially support the guy you are talking about, doesn't seem like he gets payed for it, which is a very questionable activity on his side, lol.
They are just drawings, you can basically draw anything you like. I don't care if they are a 800 y/o vampire that looks like a child or a 5y/o that looks like a grown-ass woman, it's just fiction, I don't see a problem with it.
What I do see a problem with is the "story" or the "focus" of the nsfw art. If it depicts 2 characters who are minors having sex or whatever, I just don't care, I won't get offended by it or anything. But if the focus of the story is some adults thirsting over some pre-teen children, then yeah, that's weird af.
A good example of this is the Monogatari Series and Shoujo Ramune. I had no problems with Shinobu's fanservice scenes. She looks really young, but she is a 800y/o vampire and she acts like one. So despite her looks, she is mentally an adult woman and way more mature than pretty much any other character in the show. But in Shoujo Ramune you have those 3 girls who are children, they act like children, yet they are getting basically raped by that 70y/o guy. In that case sure, that's kinda weird.
TL;DR: I have no problem with the art, I do have a problem with the context.
1) if a character is depicted as childlike it is not okay. don't know who gave you the idea that just because something is fictional makes it okay. fiction reflects reality. a child can be mature, but this does not correlate to being capable of consent. if they look like a child, they shouldn't be sexualized. end of story.
2) lots of minors engage in nsfw content, and i think that's perfectly natural and isn't always problematic, but that content should never be exchanged between adults and children, or adults and adults. drawing two kids in a sexual context is not something that should be publicly shared, whether you are a minor yourself nor not
Damn you were quick to reply lmao.
First of all... no I don't think that fiction necessarily reflects reality. Let's say for example that a person is REALLY into murder mysteries. Does that make them a potential murderer? No, of course not. I have a straight, female friend who is really into yuri stuff. Does that make her a lesbian, or even bi? No, she is not, she just enjoys the art. In both of these cases you can make the exact same point that you made. That point being "fiction reflects reality, so these people must be more prone to those things", but then again, on both of these occasions it clearly doesn't work like that. Also I wasn't talking about "mature children", I was talking about "cute looking adults". Even in anime, there are adults who just look really young. Take Tatsumaki from One Punch Man for example, she is 29 (I think), she acts like a 29y/o but she looks like a "loli" and the whole joke of One Punch Man is that she looks like a child. She is clearly not depicted as a child, or even intended to be one, she just looks younger than she actually is.
Here is another question I have for you. What IS a "childlike depiction" anyway? A character being short and flat-chested? Well, there are people IRL who look like that. In fact, my ex (same age) was kinda short and with a small breast size, I never saw anyone criticizing me for being a pedophile or something. A character is drawn to look very cute? Well... it's art, that's the point. A cute looking 30y/o can sometimes look younger than a "normal" looking 10y/o. Take Konata Izumi (the MC from Lucky Star) and Violet Evergarden for example. Konata is 17 and turns 18 during the anime, but looks like she is 11 and Violet Everganden looks like she is 25+ but is actually the same age as Konata, and even younger at the start of the show.
This is what I mean by "the context matters". If they act like a child, if the artist specifically says that "hey man look, this is a 40y/o guy banging a 5y/o girl, lmao isn't that hot?" then yeah, of course I am gonna have a problem with it. That's disgusting. But, in general, art is just art, the problematic stuff mostly come from the context or the story.
And because this comment is pretty much irrelevant to the original question: Yes, I do think that "aging up" characters for nsfw art IS morally correct. I'd even say that not aging them up in the first place is still morally correct. There is no "morally bad" when it comes to drawings, the only morally bad thing you can actively try to promote pedophilia through your works, and you don't do that by just drawing 2 teenagers having sex (or even someone in their 20's having sex with someone in their late teens). It's just fiction, you can basically do whatever you want, no one should care that much about something that doesn't even exist.
i know what you mean, and i do agree that context is important. there's also more to a character looking childlike than those two characteristics, though. it's also how they act and interact with others. i also want to make clear that i think there's a difference between a character looking younger than they are, and a character looking like a legitimate child.
to address your first point, i don't really think violence and gore is comparable to the sexualization of children (this isn't to say that i stand on the side of the argument that even if you age up a character they're still a child, i just don't think that when discussing the two topics they can be compared). this is because violence and gore us almost never depicted as this acceptable or positive thing. we view it as interesting and entertaining, but we also recognize that it isn't morally okay.
(please note once again that this is me using the drawing of minors in general, not in the context of aging them up:) when artists draw minors in a sexual context, they aren't doing so as a part of a story, or in a negative light. it isn't meant to be a conflict, nor does society cohesively agree that it's bad. it is generally a positive depiction, in the sense that they aren't drawing something wrong for the sake of drawing something wrong, but instead drawing something wrong because they don't see it as wrong
and as far as enjoying yuri as a straight woman goes, i don't think that enjoying content that doesn't align with your sexuality is the same as enjoying content that sexually depicts minors
i hope i covered all of your points, sorry if that was long
hey @Jew231 you can stop stalking this forum just to like all the comments of people who think that anything is okay as long as it's fiction
I mean tbh what's the problem with that? let the man do what he wants
because regardless of the stance you take for this particular issue, the argument that if something is fictional it must be perfectly okay is pathetic
so i think they're pathetic. ofc they can do whatever they want
"regardless of the stance you take on this issue, if you don't have my opinion then it's pathetic" and that means he can't like peoples comments?
you know if you disagree with him then you could either have a discussion about it with him, and get to understand his thoughts on the issue and present your argument or just ignore him. you're just being 12 about this
correct, that argument is pathetic.
feel free to re-read, but i never said "you can't do this"
i have no interest in discussing with someone whether something is okay just because it's fiction. i'm not here to discuss that and have already had discussions about that.
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"you can stop stalking this forum just to like all the comments of people" like why even give it the time of day, you're not changing his mind or anyones mind. also using the phrase "you can stop" is telling him to stop, whether or not you put the word can in there - the widely accepted translation of this phrase is telling someone to stop something....
yes, you don't have to have this discussion - but if you're not interested in having the discussion then just ignore him. don't just tell people to stop expressing their opinions because you've already had discussions with other people about the same topic and have come to your own conclusions.
i thought its a discussion, not a circle of mutual adoration.
a man can say what he thinks and like comments he agrees withdude. please learn to read. no shit they can. oh my god lol
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if they can, waht is your problem with them liking those comments tf????
also like (once again, i already said) i'm looking to discuss whether it's moral/okay to age up characters for nsfw art
this doesn't mean i'm looking to discuss how it being fiction applies to the issue. i created this forum because of something i wanted to get more opinions on. if you want to discuss whether something is morally correct just because it's fiction, make your own forum. i'm not obligated to cater to all arguments just because i'm looking to discuss.
please grow up
I think so. If they are drawn as adults they are considered adults right? Must specify that they are adults though. Then it's legal and thus okay.
If you do this it's okay and he/she can do whatever they want.
The issue whether or not they SHOULD is an entirely different matter. But they can.
Excuse me, do you own a brain? It's fiction for god's sake.
Yeah, it's fiction, but aging up character so they could do shit together is a pretty disgusting thing, man. Shit like that shows what type of person you play out
So what? Do you want to do the shit with them? If so, then that's your problem and not the artist's. I see no fucking problem with aging up characters, do you want to see an adult version of a character and the original artist doesn't provide it? Why the fuck not draw it? What harm can possibly a drawing do? Fiction should be an escape from reality, don't push real life "problems" that mainly minors came up with.
Who fucking cares what's moral and immoral in FICTION, it's not real. Learn the difference. If your pepee gets hard after seeing aged up characters, there's something wrong with you. :)Mf what. Yea, honestly, seeing the adult version of a character is alright up in till you start to sexualize them There's no harm in this. It's just disgusting to see people non directly justify this repulsive/explicit behavior. LOL, WHAT "fiction should be an escape from reality," so looking at fanart of characters that artist aged up so they can sexualize is alright??? The reason I'm defending this is that I'm tired of seeing oldass mofos tryna sexualize younger characters without getting called out. wtf are you on about... nasty ass mf bringing up people's parts into this, and lord, no one wants to see people do the nasty together
Also, how old are you... because if you're 18+ and saying this is alright.... then you're the problem hereOffended pussies like you make this repulsive and explicit. Your arguments are that of a 14 year old twitter keyboard warrior that might even have tendencies to participate in shit like boycott Genshin. Nobody's forcing you the art, it's your own problem for not being able to either torelate it or block it from your view, there are such things like "Block the user" in case you weren't aware.
I see no problem aging up a character since they've never been harmed and in the first place they are not real. Judging from your argument, do you actually expect artists to ask the so called "minor" characters for permission to age them up? I'd love to know how to contact a fictional character, to be honest.
No one wants to see poeple do nasty things together? Ah, so the concept of porn is absolute bullshit then, I see. ^_^- continue this thread →
First of all... I don't use Twitter, and genshin is weird imo (the stans are more annoying than danganronpa stans). No shade intended.
Yea, I know that. If you read what the person who posted this said, you'll understand why I'm arguing on your pov.
Same honestly till it comes to sexualization. Taken from your sarcastic statement, is that all you have to say honestly because you're giving weak link mf vibes dawg. I've said this before "it's not your character to age up, and when you age up a character only to lewd them, it means you viewed them as attractive and lewdable when they were still a minor... which is disgusting, but you do you man.Yea.. considering the fact you said 14 on your comment meant you looked at my profile.... So if you ain't gonna tell someone your age, you might as well sit down, girl.
Like I said before... you do you.. if you think that's alright then. 😭
Yes I know that you aren't gonna read it all, but basically my stance is that they're Pixels so it aint really hurting anyone
Gonna write a good amount about this since I see it as a topic that comes up soo fucking much.
So My standpoint is still that they are drawings. They have no physical emotions, they are literal objects, you could delete or literally erase them from existence with your own hand, now that that's out of the way here goes the rest.
The part with aging them up, I see this as perfectly fine, they are depicted as older and they look older, now I never said that anyone should really be doing this at all and there are way better things that you can and should draw.
Okay so child pornography is not okay in any sense or form, but when It's drawings there is nothing gained or lost. No one is being harmed, no real children are being exploited. No children are doing anything at all, nothing about this has to do with actual living breathing children. The big problem with child porn and age of consent is the mindset and mannerisms. They aren't old enough and act and think like a child, so they cannot give proper consent to these actions. But drawing can't give consent no matter what age the character is of a completely fictional story. It's literal pixels, people are freaking out over some pixels.
Now again I must state that I don't see the appeal and you could go look at or draw hentai of an older character instead. I would much rather consume content of an older character, but some people are about that weird shit and they like that stuff. Now if this ever in any way leads to somehow exploiting children that is completely terrible. But this is about drawings, not real children.
Also that artist actually draws really good, but I'm ngl I was not expecting the drawings to be of Midoriya and Bakugo
Okay let me elaborate more on the part about the mindsets and mannerisms. So instead of taking Shinobu as an example since she is something that is unrealistic and is a fucking vampire lets take Mafuyu. So look at Mafuyu, she looks like a child right, but shes 20 and she acts like it in the show. She doesn't have the mindset nor the mannerisms of a child and she acts her age. She may not look 20, but she acts like someone who has been living for 20 years. This is real, they're can be girls in real life that are short and have flat chests, so you would consider them looking like a child. But they obviously aren't and they don't act it. No one would complain if a guy that looked of age and was indeed of age, was dating a girl that looked like she was underage, but was indeed of age. So that's also something, the other thing is with another Blend S character, Kaho Hinata, just look at her, its the complete opposite, she looks as if shes of age, I guess since her breast size, but she is 17, which is underage. And well she acts like it, she is carefree and has the mannerisms of a 17 year old, but she doesn't neccesarily look 17. Now people would complain if a guy that looked of age and was of age, was dating a girl who looked of age, but was underage. Then again, dating Mafuyu in real life would be okay, while dating Kaho in real life would not be okay. But this isn't real life we are talking about, they are pixels that you could never even possibly physically touch.
Yes I enjoyed Monogatari. How did you know!?
Tbh if you draw children as adults or adults as children it rlly dosent matter if you aren't hurting anyone in real life :)
You're right, but its a different story when people start to sexualize it
still not hurting anyone exactly. it is just the people who find it morally wrong, which is fine, but again, morality is subjective
I'm not talking about hurting someone... I'm talking about the sexualization... Yea, true somewhat.
Imo, its kinda weird, like they are children, and we know them as children.
So its still a nsfw draw of two minors, which is kinda pedo.
exactly
You know, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it was a Halloween reboot, where an actress, in a typical horror fashion, was killed with her tits out and all that jazz. The same actress you saw as a minor in one of the previous installments. Does that make you uncomfortable, seeing a grown-up woman do a naked scene, just because you saw her somewhere else as a child?
Or, let's try a closer example. Would you say that everyone who loves Berserk is a pedophile? Because I'm pretty sure Casca is 16 in the Golden Age, and we all know how things turn out for her there.
Also, going slightly away from the topic, but if you're going to go strictly by morality of the drawing, which is highly subjective to begin with, don't you think it's morally wrong to force people into relationships they would be uncomfortable with? Aka, drawing straight characters as homosexual or vice-versa.
Honestly, morality should have nothing to do with fantasy, fiction and art.
That's an interesting question. It deserves its own thread and supplementary shitstorm. ;)
I really don't like this mha ship shit but the easy solution is : I ignore it. Noone is hurt, noone is forced to look at it, it's what it is, but it doesn't need to be punished or anything. Just let them be, they're fictional characters so even if I dislike it, I don't care wether they do it or not.
No matter if you agree whether it's moral to age up minors to draw porn with them or not, it's not pedophilia. They are canonically 14/15 but at the end artist tries to make them look more mature and aged up, so accusing them of being a pedo is, like you said, turning people away from victims of actual CSA. After all twitter/tumblr shit made the word "pedo" lose its actual meaning, which is kinda sad :|
