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High Guardian Spice and Crunchyroll
What are your thoughts on crunchyroll's original "Anime inspired" cartoon "High guardian spice"?
I think its stupid how they claim that their staff is diverse but all of the writers are women.
I recommend that you watch this video by Digibro. He explains all of crunchyrolls problems.
I dont want crunchyroll to push their sjw agenda on us. Most of us just wanna watch anime.
The hubbub is silly. This is Crunchyroll's owners doing exactly what they bought Crunchyroll for— not just to keep existing as an anime platform, but to expand into a larger platform, with content they own outright instead of licensed, which is easier to make money off of.
Watch the shows you want, ignore the shows you don't want. Or cancel your subscription if you really want. But it's not Crunchyroll calling that shot, I can pretty much guarantee it.
The SJW part isn't even worth addresing.
Netflix is doing what Crunchyroll shoudl be doing. They have Devilman Crybaby, an actual anime. Crunchyroll decided to do a non-anime with questionable figure heads at the helm, on a anime streaming site. Where people paid for anime, not western cartoons. Do actual anime like Devilman Crybaby instead.
Mmm, Netflix didn't make or co-produce Devilman Crybaby, they licensed it. ALL of the anime they call "Netflix Original" is actually just licensed— the "original" part just denotes that it's exclusive to Netflix, usually licensed direct from the production committee rather than through a publisher like Funimation or Sentai. So Netflix is doing what Crunchyroll was already doing long before Netflix started doing it.
What Crunchyroll is doing is, I can pretty much guarantee, what their owners— WarnerMedia => AT&T —want them to do, which is making original content. That's where the big money is— not in licensed content, where you have to pay a significant chunk back to the licensor, but in the content _you get to license out (are the licensor for). One moderately popular owned show would probably make them a LOT more money for them than a more popular licensed show, except maybe the tippy top most popular shows (your Naruto/AoT/FMA type). (To be clear, the 'probably' just depends on the terms of the license agreement.)
They want to leverage Crunchyroll's platform (and more importantly, audience) to create an audience for original content, which they can control and reap rewards from forever, as opposed to licensed content where the licensor gets to approve everything they do (or not!), takes a huge chunk of the profits (if any!), and they have to re-license every 5-7 years (or not!).
Thats pretty much what i mean regarding Devilman. But isn't Devilman special in the way that it was tailor made to be Netflix exclusive, where as every anime Crunchyroll has licenced would have existed anyway, without Crunchyrolls involvement (besides something like Shelter?). At least this is the story I have heard, that Netflix's platform was ideal for a show that was not suitable for TV, but still reached a massive audience.
I get the profiting part, but I can hardly see something that has a rocky start like this to be a commercial success. I don't know how possible it would be for Crunchyroll to create a animation studio branch in Japan that exclusively makes original anime for Crunchyroll, but it would be somehting ideal for the company, rather than doing anime-inspired series. They did mention about doing something in Tokyo, but rather than doing another American directed/writen series much like Avatar, I would prefer a creative team compiled from Japan's anime industry to do the work. But hey, I'm not the one ordering Crunchyrol.
Their is nothing to support the idea that devilman was different in anyway due to being released through Netflix.
Yes, it's likely that all or most of the planning was complete before Netflix licensed it. Possibly before Netflix was even aware of it.
Given the timing of announcements (it seems like it was already attached to Netflix when it was announced and had even been unintentionally(?) teased), my best guess is that they didn't have a TV producer lined up when they established the production committee, so they pitched a couple of options, including Netflix (especially since the content is so atypical).
Definitely some production elements were different because they had to complete everything (including the dubs for many languages) prior to the series launching, but beyond that would be unusual and we don't really have any reason to expect it.
I dont care about it i wont watch it because ive got better things to watch. It seems to be one of these cliched typical western approaches on anime which often fail. I dont know about the sjw and diversity thing however it does imply this in the context of this show and the background regarding this. I didnt watch the video and i wont because i have my own opinion on this matter ( meaning i made my own not attacking anyone)
I do know some cases where "anime" games where censored thanks to people crying and screaming about being too sexual and opressing woman (everything is opressing!) and thanks to that it got heavly censored.
However it should be noted that not everything which looks like coming from sjw agenda is sjw agenda it could be coincidence or also propanda from left or right wing.Happens all the time. Could be coincidence that there are only female writers but in this case i doubt it. Happens all the time. People nowadays lost often their sense of reality.Some things which will never change through history is the stupididty of some people. So just wait and everything will be fine. But well star wars 8 is another matter entirely^^
This is also one of the reasons why i dont want anime to be mainstream because people will soon notice it and want to ban or censor it because of the different understanding of morals and moral values.(Mostly sjws and left/right wing) And if everything goes wrong japan could be forced to thighten their censorship on anime and manga which would give the right wing in japan more room to force even heavier censoreship on the industry.
But for short just wait and see i dont thing it will be that successful. ( i hope^^)Note: sjw is a broad term im just using it as a gap holder for the very splintered up groups which fit under this term.
>listening to Digibro and simply regurgitating what he says
>bringing your stupid political hangups into a site as generally chill as AniList instead of taking your stupid shitfit to a more cancerous place that'll care, like MAL
>listening to self-important whiny twats like Digibro in general
>assuming that, because a cartoon has a certain look to it, it's because of "the sjw agenda"You'd have more of a leg to stand on if you came in here complaining about the art style and how it falls more into the current popular "CalArts" style rather than doing something more unique or even more anime-inspired. Said something about how you're disappointed that their first foray into making their own shows was directed towards a more casual western audience. But even then, hey, you come off like a stupid prick because
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a large portion of their viewerbase is made up of people who are fans of western cartoons
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if you don't like it, no one's forcing you to watch it, you literal fucking retard
Do you bitch like this every time Crunchyroll picks up a show you don't want to watch? Do you shit your diaper every time you see something that's not aimed at your demographic? Or are you just parrotting what your favorite youtubers have told you about "the sjw menace?"
Crunchyroll can make whatever the hell cartoon they want to. It's not like this coming out is going to RUIN ANIME in any possible way for anyone. It doesn't look that interesting to me, so I probably just won't watch it. That's how a sensible person reacts instead of whining about it on internet forums. Take your bullshit somewhere else, dumbass. This isn't the community for it.
I bet your ass doesn't even pay for Crunchyroll, so it's not like you've even got a say as a consumer in what they do anyway.
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No need to get so triggered when you state your opinion and ask people what you think and what they think is that you're an idiot and your opinion sucks.
Please guys, stop arguing. I don't want this site to become another cesspool for bigotry and hatred like MAL is now.
HAHAHAHAH! Guess which person't called the other a "literal fucking retard" and which one didn't! Right, the triggered one did. And the one asking the question didn't. WHOOOOPS.
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No one's getting "triggered" here. If you keep thinking that way, then MAL is to your right. It's probably where people like you belong anyway.
This. A thousand times this. This was exactly what I was thinking of when I first heard the news about Ellation Studios and High Guardian Spice. While Crunchyroll does have a variety of different problems (still using Flash video players, DanMachi game censorship, not showing up to recent conventions, etc.), this definitely isn't one of them.
I do kinda find the fact that the staff behind this series is pushing the fact that the series is pro-diversity and they have female-only writers a bit uncomfortable for me though. I don't really like it when someone tries to shove political shit down my throat, but hey, if High Guardian Spice turns out to be a great series, then I'll give it a try regardless of the messages the staff keeps pushing. However, it doesn't even air until next year, so all criticism for this series should be reserved until it, you know, actually comes out.
Or you could just not watch the series. Crunchyroll definitely isn't going to become a "Western-only series" site. They're only trying to branch out and acquire more types of series. Hell, they already have RWBY as a part of their lineup and that's a Western series. Crunchyroll will certainly still offer a large selection of anime, but will include their own original cartoon series for fans of Western shows (like me).
One other thing to consider is the fact that people are literally dropping their entire Crunchyroll subscriptions over a series that hasn't even aired yet. Why do people have to overreact to everything today? It's literally so fucking stupid that someone would judge something before its release to the general public. Do these people think that they can cause a New Life+-esque situation to happen and cancel this whole damn series before it's even out? Before more in-depth trailers? Before clips? Honestly, these people should just cool their jets and wait for more material to be teased. It makes more sense to drop a Crunchyroll subscription over problems with the site rather than the series they carry.
All in all, this whole situation is fucking dumb. Almost everyone is running around like chickens without their heads, panicking over things that are ultimately superficial or haven't even occurred yet. I'm personally interested in High Guardian Spice (even though it looks kinda generic) and any other original series produced by Ellation Studios. I always like to give things I'm interested in at least one try before dropping it completely. I mean, hey, I like Steven Universe. According to these idiots, High Guardian Spice (reminder: it's not even out yet), Steven Universe, and other newer series on Cartoon Network and Nickelodeon are "pro SJW" for attempting to incorporate messages about diversity into their storylines. I'd have to disagree with them though; the ways that series like Steven Universe incorporate their messages feel natural, not forced. I guess that's kinda why I'm interested in High Guardian Spice. If it's in any way like good modern Cartoon Network series like Steven Universe, Adventure Time, The Amazing World of Gumball, and Regular Show, then quite a few people will gain interest in it.
Those are just my two cents by the way.
When I want to pay for a anime exclusive service that deals in anime products, I wouldn't give a penny for these kinds of projects. Especially when there are actual sjw-agenda behind the project. There are people known for such activism involved in the project and the production trailer states that they are proud about their gender "diversity" in the project. Sure, I wouldn't give a rat ass if it was a full female production team, but the fact that they purposely put it into a spotlight only gives bad omens for the product itself. Not that it matters anyway, since I wouldn't still pay for a western cartoon project with my subscription money.
If someone likes what they sees. More power to them. But I also side with the people who are not happy about this project in question, since there is a lot of dirty laundry involved. Many different kinds. Hope you enjoy it, but I enjoy anime.
Hey, I enjoy both anime and Western cartoons, but have you heard of separating the art from the artist? I still enjoy watching Ren and Stimpy despite its creator being found out as a pedophile. People still like the MMO Junkie anime after the director was found out to be anti-Semitic. I only have issues if the creator/staff of a project is constantly projecting their thoughts, emotions, and ideas onto their work. That's when I grow uncomfortable enough to not watch the series.
As for your opinions on Crunchyroll overall attempting to broaden their horizon in terms of new kinds of series? They're valid, but I still think it's rather odd to drop an entire subscription without taking into account the actual site issues (like still using Flash in 2018). I think it's cool that they're attempting to do something different, but Crunchyroll will still be focused on mostly anime (as of now). If this whole Ellation Studios thing fails, then I'm sure that things will continue as they usually do. People will always pirate and people will always watch series on official platforms. I really don't care what they do because I'm ultimately concerned with what I'm doing. But hey, I really don't give a shit if you're watching anime on sites other than Crunchyroll or Netflix or whatever as long as you're supporting your favorite series in an alternate way.
The difference between HGS and shows like MMO Junkie or Ren and Stimpy is that the latter two don't force the creators agenda onto the viewer.
At no point in MMO Junkie was there any pushing of any anti-semitic ideals, and the same can be said of Ren and Stimpy and pedophilia. However, High Guardian Spice is already flaunting its diversity (with a writers room entirely made of white women). This does not bode well for the series.
My main issue with this is that Crunchyroll is first and foremost an anime provider, and the first Original they show off is some CalArts Cartoon Network bullshit? They really should have actually put out an original anime first, or just label this as a VRV Original, instead of Crunchyroll.
"if you don't like it, no one's forcing you to watch it, you literal fucking retard"
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAHAHAHA!"I bet your ass doesn't even pay for Crunchyroll, so it's not like you've even got a say as a consumer in what they do anyway."
You better hope so, or your ranting literally made no sense, since it's the person's own decision how they spend their money. Quitting one's subscription because of the business using the money on something else other than anime related stuff or something that helps the industry is absolutely within that person's rights. If your service doesn't do what the customer base paid for, a backlash is imminent. It's the customer who decides to spend the penny, what they want they penny to go towards and what they don't want it to go towards. You. Literal. Fucking. Retard.Whoops!
I personally think it's really dumb for someone to drop their subscription solely based on what kind of content they want to put out. If I had a paid subscription to Crunchyroll (which I don't) and wanted to drop it, I'd rather do it because of Flash players and other outdated site sections.
"I personally think it's really dumb for someone to drop their subscription solely based on what kind of content they want to put out"
Continuing a subscription for a service that's putting out a product(s) you're not interested in means you're supporting that product indirectly. In business, money is essentially a vote. When you purchase a product/service, you are voting in favor of that product.
It seems perfectly reasonable to me for someone to cancel their subscription based on the content offered considering that is literally the main reason to even purchase a subscription to a streaming service in the first place.
This is a fair point, but I think that dropping it specifically for a single show is kind of a dumb move considering the very broad content Crunchyroll already licenses. I mean, if it's the content (which, mind you, is still currently almost entirely unknown), why make the decision now instead of after they licensed, say, Demi-chan, which was all about interacting with what is a very clear metaphor for marginalized groups? I mean, if you're going to accuse them of propagating an "sjw agenda," that'd be a show to point to.
Basically, anyone who remotely follows what Crunchyroll does knows that, in terms of what they promote and presumably produce, they really don't have a horse in the race. Their licensing choices have, as a whole, upset pretty much everyone at this point.
Also, to address an earlier comment about me being a "Crunchyroll shill:" I'm really not. Crunchyroll has a ton of problems, from their player to the direction they've taken with their social media persona to how they handle events like CRX or the Anime Awards. But of all the things to get upset with Crunchyroll about, this is close to the bottom of the list.
Crunchyroll subscription is an investment which the supporter gives to the company so that they can pitch for anime. Crunchyroll uses the subscription money to make a western cartoon project which no one asked for. People cancel subscription because their investment didn't go to the purpose it was supposed to. I see nothing dumb about that. If you were playing a videogame that had a monthly subscription fee like WoW. You would be totally within your rights to cancel your subscription if an awful expansion or patch changes the game to the point you feel is unplayable. Crunchyroll subscribers give money so that the money goes to anime studios, so that they can watch their anime on the crunchyroll platform, which is why they subscribed to crunchyroll and didn't use it for cable or whatever else kind of service so they could support the anime industry.
Runescape members paid for a certain type of Runescape. The game became so different that it started to lose it's player base little by little (or gradually whatever). Which is why Old School Runescape exists so you don't have to pay for the type of RuneScape which you don't want to play.
- I really like how the person who starts shit complains about a person talking about their qualms about a project they have a right to complain about.
- Regurgitates the point about Digibro 2 times
- Assumes that someone assumes there is a sjw agenda involved when in reality there is a mountain of evidence to support the claim
You also reveal yourself to be a triggered twat with:
- Assuming the customers who initially give money to Crunchyroll (an anime streaming site) went and happily paid for a western cartoon production rather than anime pitches or anything else anime related
- Forgetting that the people who pay for crunchyroll are forced to PAY for the production of said series and then calling the person a "literal fucking retard" for good measure
Also questions if the person whines about Crunchyroll pitching for anime series, which is totally sensible, of course. Assumes immediately that because the person has a differing opinion they are parroting someone else.
Assumes that Crunchyroll can just do whatever they want with the subscription money without backlash. Complains further that there is a backlash about a thing they don't get. Oh boy
Anything else?
Again, stop with the name calling. I'm aware you're not the only one, but you can state your points and opinions in a mature way. Calling someone a "triggered twat" isn't going to help your cause or be productive to the conversation.
As for calling someone "a literal fucking retard"? Does that fly? I can say for my case that I don't intend to call anyone anything if they show manners like anyone else. But I can sure be angry about someone else starting something they shouldn't. I am heated, but I don't see equal justice served.
He's the first person I talked to about all this as I messaged him on Discord telling him not to say stuff like that. It doesn't fly and I let him know. If you ever see a comment like that, report it and us mods will deal with it ASAP.
Name calling someone because they name called you/others just escalates things for the worst, it doesn't help anyone.
Like Mex said, I've been talked to about this, acknowledge that my word choice was offensive and regrettable on multiple levels, and I apologize for it. It's all around an offensive phrase and even after deliberation, I decided to in order to be inflammatory and provide emphasis, which was a poor decision on my part. I would edit the phrase but since it's been repeated multiple times, it's kind of too late for that so I'm just going to have to own it.
It would have been more accurate and helpful to say that I feel the OP's opinions and points were poorly expressed/formulated, misguided, intended to stir up unwanted drama, and based largely in parrotting a YouTube personality rather than having anything to say themselves.
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I think it makes sense it terms of Crunchyroll's shift from just an anime streaming website to a corporation that's more involved in the production of anime i.e the Crunchyroll SC Anime Fund. I'm sure alot of anime fans are cartoon fans aswell, so its a niche/interest group worth catering too to see if these "anime inspired cartoons" are profitable.
Don't get me wrong while i think it makes sense from business and crunchyroll perspective, but i'm not that enthused about the show. The trailer didn't really get me hyped and it doesn't look that interesting so i'm probably not going to watch this one.
Same re: CR business move but also re: the show.
Like, if they were the ones streaming that new show by the Avatar:TLA folks? That'd be pretty sweet. (Netflix has it instead.)
Why, in recent times, do I keep finding awful threads filled with nothing but anger and spite towards other users in the "Recent Forum Replies" section? I did offer my own thoughts on the particular topic of this thread, but I'm not trying to attack other users.
I really hope that AniList doesn't turn into My Anime List 2.0...
I like the idea of western audiences supporting the creators but atm Crunchyroll is just too flawed. Their service is subpar an the fact they choose to focus on their brand rather than what their supposed intent is repulses me. Personally it's a complex issue, I'm not going to pay for a shitty service that purports to some moral highground but at the end of the day I just wanna make sure the guys who give me so much entertainment don't starve on the streets. I know people see him as this elitist weaboo (he isn't really if you really watch his content) but Digi is absolutely right here.
Lets ease up on the name calling and act more civilized here.
DaLadyBugMan more or less covers my point in regards to Crunchyroll being able to do what they please and it's also important to know that the people who are handling the production of the show are not the ones who deal with the video player so it's important to know where your frustration should be directed to.
I'll probably watch it, looks neat.
I'll give the show a try too. Lots of series, anime or not, that look totally generic (Madoka Magica, Steven Universe, etc.) have managed to exceed my expectations in the past before, so I'm just gonna wait and see what other people are saying about it before giving it a try myself.
I know the general consensus is to hate on this, but there are a lot of assumptions being made.
To create my own assumptions, I don't think Crunchyroll will be around in the future and will be dissolved into VRV when the platform becomes available as most of Crunchyroll's development team was moved to VRV. Since Ellation owns both platforms having all users on VRV would make the company more revenue.
I don't understand why this is being marketed as a Crunchyroll original as it just seems like Ellation opened animation studios in Burbank and Tokyo to produce shows and they're just using Crunchyroll as a platform to stream to a wider audience. This seems like an Ellation investment and they're just utilizing their assets.
It seems that if VRV was ready to be available worldwide, this show would have fitted that platform better. People subscribing to watch this show on Crunchyroll will find that there are no similar shows and they just wasted their money on a platform to watch one show whereas if this was branded as a VRV Original then Ellation would be able to push users to watch CartoonHangover and similar shows on the same site.
I'm optimistic with the animation studios that Ellation opened whilst their first project might not be a hit they might hire better creatives to create shows that are more appealing to their anime audience.
I'm more or less in agreement with what @oliviamrow and @daladybugman have said.
If you dont like it, dont watch it.
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I mean, go diversifying viewpoints I guess. If you believe it's SJW propaganda, so what? I mean, the fact that it exists isn't going to hurt you or anything? And if an 'all female production team' pushing agenda's is your main gripe, well, don't worry, there are plenty of shit 'all male production team' stuff pushing agendas out there too. Companies do stupid things all the time, but it's their right to do stupid things, and our right to react to that by either continuing to support them or not. In most cases, it's not like Crunchyroll and companies are forcing you to buy into their stuff in the first place.I mean, that's not an issue for a show being bad or good imho. You need to actually talk about the flaws in the animation itself (plot, animation style, plot-holes, melodrama, lacklustre/unbelievable characters, music, tone, etc.) Just saying it's stupid because you believe that they are pushing their 'SJW agenda' onto you is kind of silly. It's not like they are forcing or making it mandatory to watch it. Given that, if 'SJW propaganda' is your only argument with no substance, facts, or points to back it up, it's just seems like a pointless argument.
I mean, I hate Alex Jones, and dislike Fox News. I love reading stories about them getting lampooned for doing a racist or discriminatory thing, but I don't watch them.I think a lot of their content is cancer.
I find YouTube drama, and people like Jake and Logan Paul who act like little children, post insulting videos, and do disrespectful things (like disrespecting other cultures, suicide victims, being racist or discriminatory, thinking something being a joke entitles you to act like a prick) and act like it's all fine because they're famous, at least imho, so I don't watch them, support them, or even bother with them.
But, if they want to create that, it doesn't matter to me. I just don't watch it. If it's not forced or mandatory, no one is pushing any agenda onto you unless you watch, and in that case, why are you watching it in the first place? If it's bad, criticize it all you want. It's a free country. But you need more then then 'SJW Propoganda' to support your argument, otherwise it's not much of an argument, just a silly statement without any basis.
Formulate your own arguments, even if you have to take the ideas from someone else. But it has to be your own idea, and not just blindly repeating what others have said.
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It's the hot topic right now, so it probably woulda gone this way no matter what. Not your fault :)
From what little was shown about the show with their announcement trailer I know it's not marketed towards me, therefore I have no intention of seeing it. If people are excited to see it then by all means I'm not going to get angry at them for it. I just hope that if it does flop crunchyroll doesn't lash out at people like me and instead looks to see what made it unappealing to people.
i think it's a very bad attempt by crunchyroll to push forward a narrative on their anime streaming site im angry but not angry at the same time. im angry because crunchyroll doenst seem to really care for their average consumer they would rather take their money and pander to the few but im also not angry because i don't support crunchyroll and this doens't really affect me but its still sad to se3 a prominent streaming site being blinded by their own political views
So the problem here is "people think their money are going to the industry through this website, but actually a lot of them are use to make things that they dislike".
I don't think they are at fault. They are not charity or crowdfunding for the industry, they can decide how to use the money you paid them. I don't think it's really a problem as long as they still provide you anime to watch, but if you are not satisfy with their service or decisions you can just stop paying them. If they are really bad in their job they will be replaced soon.
P.S. I don't like the guy talking in the video
Since I see people still liking/commenting here, I am going to link to this Twitter thread, which does an excellent job of breaking down what Crunchyroll and its parent companies are doing, and why they are doing it in the particular manner that they are.
This Answerman piece also launched today which talks specifically about an idea that's tangentially related to this conversation, that western fans should support anime via Patreon rather than legal streaming. It's very informative as to how money flows in the anime business.
To be clear, these arguments probably won't convince anyone who is set on hating Crunchyroll/streaming sites. But for those who are curious about contemporary information about the anime industry that is relevant to this topic, both are super informative.
Really enjoy how Answerman tries to address both sides of the argument while bringing in some much needed facts over feels. Probably would have missed this if you hadn't linked to it since I don't browse ANN, so thanks for taking the time to post it here. Feels like people are getting a lot more emotional then they need to be over the announcement, most likely due to past semi-related complaints towards crunchyroll.
Yeah, Sevakis is good people and he's basically worked all sides— he founded ANN like twenty some odd years ago as a fan, got work doing discs (and whatever else) for Central Park Media back when they were a thing, went back to ANN as a journo, and now does Answerman + disc production as a contractor for a few companies (like Discotek). So he really knows his stuff from all perspectives. I like that brought up that everyone really just wants to make sure their money is helping the industry to the extent that they can, which is easy to forget in all the fighting. XD
Oh man, no idea he worked with Discotek who holds the spot of favourite anime licensor for me! Yeah, I can really understand that guilt that can come when struggling to figure out how to support an industry or if you're really helping due to numerous reasons (Like being a broke uni student with limited space). Seems like too many people are seeing red atm and just need time to take a step back to realize that the sky isn't falling.
Yeah! I don't know if he does ALL their discs (probably not), but I know he does a bunch.
And yes...everyone's always tensed and ready to get into an argument these days...and they're often about REALLY important topics, too, but it can be really hard to set ego aside and pay attention to what's going on with the other person...especially if they're ALSO grinding for a fight, yanno? :\
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Yeah, I've met many a person who hated to admit they were wrong and ignore anything that disproved them, absolutely impossible to have a good debate with :/
I watch anime so I could get away from these stupid politics filling up on social media sites, my email and on tv. Now, this virus has Infected anime. Anime is like being in another world with a fun community. I love being part of a community that accepts my interests in anime. Unlike many people I know irl who try to convince me to watch "cool kids" things like sports. I hate being forced to like something I don't care bout.
By pushing this agenda with more originals, it's probably gonna have a horrible effect: being a big news topic bout having scandals and telling the world of its "unfair" high male ratio of anime watchers and having nazi mentioning shows like Hellsing.they only complain about diversity when its about white men you dont see them complaining about the diversity of japanese production studios. thank god anime derives from japan where they level headed enough to not mix politics with their shows . western shows nowadays all seem to bind together to the idea that a show that will succeed is one that pushes a political viewpoint more than one that has a great story and characters
"you dont see them complaining about the diversity of japanese production studios"
I mean, I do. Often, even. Might just not be a topic in your circles.
"thank god anime derives from japan where they level headed enough to not mix politics with their shows"
See my earlier comment, below :D I sat in on a panel once where we were talking about a gag in a hentai anime that was legitimately a satirical commentary on the state of Japan's military/self-defense force. Like...that's just in a porno y'all. Entire essays have been written about shows like Eden of the East or even old stuff like Space Battleship Yamato and their political values/stances...
I don't intend mean this to be rude, because it's as true as me as it is of most of us— but the reason most western anime fans don't see sociopolitical commentary in anime is PROBABLY because we don't know the sociopolitical climate of Japan. ^^;
I have good news and bad news for you ^^
Good news: no one can force you to like anything, so that thing you hate will never happen to you :)
Bad news: no media, including anime, exists in a vacuum, and it is all influenced by and, to some extent, speaking towards the socio-political climate in which it is created.
For example, you list Bleach as your favorite anime. One of the key features of Ichigo's introduction that his orange hair appears bleached but is actually natural, which causes conflict with teachers and others who insist that he fit a narrow mold of what a Japanese student should look like, and also intimidates people who make assumptions about him based on what they think is his intentionally colored hair. Similarly, Rukia struggles to maintain the flawless demeanor she thinks her place as an adopted daughter of the Kuchiki family. They are both dealing with the difficulty of not being precisely what society (human or soul) expects them to be. This is inherently sociopolitical to Japan, where the nail that sticks out gets hammered down, in sharp contrast to western society's obsession with positive distinctiveness.
And that's just one example off the top of my head from only watching like 20% of the entire show, and it's not even a particularly layered or message-y kinda show. :)
Meh, can't say I care that much. While it's a bit groan-inducing that the writers seem not to know the definition of "diverse," I'm ultimately not losing sleep over it and it seems like they have good intentions.
I don't pay for Crunchyroll, or even use it for that matter, so I won't get my knickers in a twist about it being hosted/produced there.
I'm also not afraid of their "SJW Agenda" because I don't see so-called "SJW" as the boogeyman. Plus, I genera;;y view people who call others SJWs as twelve-year-olds so there's that.
Though, there is the problem that the gender of the staff could be used to shield them from criticism, ala Ghostbusters 2016.
The fact that Digi was the one who brought it up also makes me not care as much. To me, he's just a pompous twat, but I watch his videos occasionally since I don't know who else to watch.¯(ツ)/¯
So now that it came out will it be added? lmao I saw some clips and its so bad. Id like to hate watch it.
