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[Spoilers] Platinum End - Episode 24 Discussion
What did you think of the episode?
What was your favorite scene or moment? Least favorite?
Since this is the final episode, what did you think of the season as a whole?
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After watching first 4 episodes it was so rushed off that I couldn't even enjoy it a bit. I wonder how this would get a adaptation.
It was terrible, I hate myself for not dropping it. The only good things from this show are the opening and the 1st ending, they are bangers.
holy shit i did not expect that ending, everyone was just happy and finally enjoying life lmao
not sure how to feel about this i just kept watching cuz i wanted to see how this shitshow was gonna end but now im quite flabbergasted loli can respect it for having this ending thats the least i can say lol
holy shit what a ballistic ending. fantastic fucking show, very typical of the anime community to be unable to grasp a story that's not isekai or hand-holdy backstory-infested shit
you cant be serious LMAO
nah, i actually have a good understanding of narrative and can back up my opinions pretty well.
problem is, the storyline could have been incredible but the way it was produced and delivered just never gave me a connection to the characters or hype me up for key moments, which made it shit and I never felt any emotion after watching the ending
ohkay. i don't really care how it made you feel
I think everyone has a good understanding about the narrative. It wasn't that difficult to understand. Pretty straightforward. It was just shit.
i don't think you understood what i wrote.
I'm curious as to what your understanding of the narrative is that made you enjoy the show more than the general audience did. Could you explain narrative as you understand it?
sure. there's a lot that's going on in platinum end. a common criticism i see is that the characters are flat and one-dimensional whatnot, which i think is correct but that doesn't make a story bad. platinum end was a lot about how humans perceive and grapple with their life, in terms of the blanket finitude of life as well as the minutia that sort of makes human life worth living. it's a timeless paradox of "life only has meaning because it ends" but there's a lot of poignant observations in the show that depict how humans try to meet those two in practice.
i've written this in another episode post, but it should've been obvious that the characters were never going to be super deep or intricate. platinum end isn't a character study, or at least i would need someone to convince me otherwise. the first episode starts out in a super edgy, brutal mallgoth way, which should already signal what type of story it's not. that isn't to say the characters aren't bad, but they serve their purpose in the larger narrative. i also don't think they "represent ideas" so much as they show a trajectory of how people figure these things out.
so when i talk about narrative in platinum end, there's a couple things to actually talk about. you have the exterior of the thriller, which is what kept me invested. almost every episode made me wonder what would happen next, and that's a very real subjective thing that doesn't take to everyone. i also hate super pseudo-intellectual philosophical fiction, so i normally wouldn't enjoy characters just standing around talking about ideology and shit like that. but the thriller portion is grounded in a very real, human story of people coming to terms with their own humanity, which on a grand scale ends up including topics like god, religion, and the nature of existence itself. the origin of all the characters are based in suicide, which is a topic that's usually handled unsatisfactorily in anime, not to mention exploitatively (which platinum end is definitely guilty of), but we also see so many different motivations for suicide, some which are given a fair shake in terms of sympathy. you also end up seeing different views on religion, one of which was a sociological observation which you never get to see offered up in anime that ever deals with religion. so for me, you have all these smaller scale narratives that weave together to form a grander tapestry of the Human Drama. i could go more into specifics, but i don't really have the time to write as much, otherwise i would've just written a review.
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I don't know if I necessarily agree with everything you said, but I don't think I entirely disagree with you either. What you said makes sense. This show did cover a lot of things in depth that most anime avoid talking about in general (like suicide and religion), and I can appreciate the variety of motivations and beliefs the anime included. However, I can't help but feel like these items were little more than awkward plot devices because of the characters. Everyone was shallow and poorly written, so even though there's merit to the narrative here, its execution via the characters made it very hard to enjoy for entertainment purposes for me.
You mentioned that one-dimensional characters don't make a story bad, and I think that's the biggest thing I disagree with you on here. To me, a story can have the greatest plot and message, but it's not a good story unless there is sufficient and natural character development. I will admit that characters impact my enjoyment a lot, but objectively speaking, characters are still part of the story, so poorly written or poorly developed characters have the ability to ruin a story. In the case of Platinum End, I believe the flatness of the characters detract from the narrative and the story rather than assist it. While they may manage to get the message across, they do so in a way that makes it hard to take seriously since it's so hard to relate to them due to their one-dimensional personalities.
As for the thriller part of the narrative you mentioned, I do agree that this show kept me wondering what would happen next. However, we differ here because I was more interested in how much worse the next episode would be than the episode before it.
I hope you found this to be a well-thought out opinion, as I see that you dislike responding to comments that aren't. Sorry if I wasted your time here.
the animation especially made this a "fantastic" dumpster fire of a show
Nah, you're just pretending to be a edgy smart pants the in the most pathetic way ...this show is fucking garbage, It's like a [redacted] kid trying to meddle with deep and subjective stuff that he couldn't never control it.
The characters are boring and unidimensional, the dialogue and interactions probably made by a hermit loser like you, who doesn't understand the basics of human behaviour. The action setpieces of that 'battle royale arc' made everyone laugh, and this fucking boring mess of a climax made everyone sleep. You just have tons of japanese stuff who drives in this matter with a lot more class, quality and fun involved.
You should try to be a sorry ass but down to earth weeb and brag your non-existent intellect with real and good stuff. Doing that with Platinum End it's just being too desperate for our taste lol
i can't imagine being this mad at someone who is right. can you explain your opinion without going down the typical point-by-point "review-style" that every nostalgia critic-wannabe goes through? i only like responding to well thought out opinions, you know, opinions that contend with art and narrative on a holistic scale instead of these insane nitpicky frameworks. no one criticizes Robocop for having one-dimensional characters. if you can't comprehend what i'm saying, i'm suggesting you graduate your understanding of narrative from high school literature class before you respond to me. you can try to project that you're very smart or whatever, but just so you know you're not very convincing.
Loser's n hipster's rumbling. You just spit difficult words to sound clever and make your speech sound deep, but you can't bring a single comment to back up your shitty opinion.
Cause in the end, Platinum End is just like your life: Sad, messed up, unsuccessful in every way, unnoticed by everyone, except to mock and to feel sorry, and totally not fun lmao
Since you're all alone and a sorry loser hermit, you got plenty of time to enjoy a lot of real good stuff in the show's theme. Just put some effort in it.
that was super cringe bro. i hope that took you less than 30 minutes to come up with.
"Look at me! I enjoy HIPSTER garbage, instead of that disgusting MAINSTREAM isekai garbage"
just because everyone died at the end, doesn't mean the show was deep. In fact, killing everyone at the end for a bullshit reason is nothing but frustrating for the viewer, because it's pretty clear the writer just didn't know how to fucking end the story.
I'd much prefer for this show to staye mediocre up until the end and just provide us with a standard happy ending, instead of pulling this absolute fucking bullshit.if your only reply is "you must be hipster for liking something that i don't", i'm afraid you're not well-equipped to have any conversations on the internet. you don't like the ending, fine, but using an ending as indictment against an entire narrative is puny. that just shows you're unwilling to engage with something that confuses you.
I am unwilling to spend my limited amount of time on shit i do not enjoy, a real shocker, i know.
And while the ending is certainly not "indicative of the entire narrative" it was certainly the cherry on top that made me angry for wasting my time with this show.By the way, i'm not calling you a hipster because you disagree with me, you are disagreeing with the majority of people according to the rating with has been continuously dropping since the show started. It's at 61% now, which is a pretty fucking terrible (not by my standards, but by this site's at least)
no, you are pretty explicitly calling me a hipster, or do hipsters not enjoy hipster garbage? if not, what even is the point of that fake quote? and why the fuck would anyone care about the rating? do you only do things because other people do them? i can't imagine being that kind of soulless, boring, input-only NPC.
A little bit less selfish please. I understand liking something other don't, it's (still) not a crime, but on which bases you claim to have a good understading of the narrative? There is a difference between finding interesting a show and wanting to defend it at all costs. Also you didn't back up your opinion at all, wtf.
Also please, PLEASE, don't answer me with a "I understand because I've seen a lot of anime", because that's not how things workno i didn't back up my opinion because this is a thread where people post their reactions. every other comment in this thread is people shitting on this show with no one begging for explanations because they already agree, so why can't i just post my reaction about how much i enjoyed platinum end? i would defend this show, except as i expected, no one so far has been willing to engage in good faith or has even offered a reasonable critique. all i see is the same nonsense dogshit writing smeared all over the reviews on any anime website. you could simply just not reply to my comment, just how i didn't reply to anyone else's comments that i disagree with in this thread.
I can understand your feeling, but saying something like "the anime community is unable to grasp a story that is not isekai" can be saw as very arrogant. It's like a giant "you shithead don't understand nothing, only I do". If all people on this thread agree on the shared hatred for this show it's probably because it was not very interesting for the general public (which is interesting since it should be aimed the general public, Oba and Obata are pretty edgy on this point of view, the direction was awful, and the overall animation was inferior to every normal standard for tv animation). If you want to say something so controversing you should at least try to explain.
P.S. Fuck Darius, all my homies hate Darius. Long live to Sett
well i don't really care about the general public. americans didn't like moby dick when melville first dropped that shit in 1851, that doesn't mean it's not the greatest american novel of all time. most of the general public are shitters, that's just statistics. do you understand why saying shit like "the direction was awful" isn't a well thought out opinion and why i feel no impulse to respond to something like that? or how something like "the overall animation was inferior to every normal standard for tv animation" is just factually wrong (and this is something you would know if you had watched more anime)?
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Ok, I tried to be nice, but this is stupid.
On which basis you tell that the animation was not inferior to the normal tv standards when 3/4 of the show WASN'T EVEN ANIMATED? Platinum End just keeps on using still frames and camera movemets to create dynamicity. Just a friendly reminder, things like Dennouh Coil went on TV, Stand Alone Complex, Mob Pyscho, Miss Kobayashi's Dragon Maid...even a classic isekai is by chance animated better, since IT IS animated. Nobody asks for movie's standard animation, but this is really not well looked after. Direction was really lazy, with continuos close-ups and plastic poses to take time, even when not needed. They used the manga as storyboard, without even trying to give an imprint. This is not an opinion, it's a fact, and I tell you that because I don't think you understand how animation works. People like you just keeps on pretending to understand the medium, to understand the world around the animation, to catch to influence beween the creators and the audience, to have a refine taste among the vulgars. Please, stop. You don't understand animation. You don't understand movie direction. So stop being arrogant. Watching anime does not make you an expert. Expecially if you don't want to understand more than the superficial
Nah its just trash
I did a review on the previous episode, and I talked about why people didn't like the ending, because I thought that even with the anime throwing all the giant plot they made about yoneda in the trash, I still thought it wasn't bad, because the proposal that was for kakehashi and saki to live together happily was completed...
but in the end, I was wrong, and it makes me think that this work is just an author's shitty thinking.
holy shit that has to be the absolute worst ending of all time.
platinum end is the worst show i have ever had the misfortune to experience and i can say that without a doubt at this point. congrats to mirai nikki for being promoted to second worst by this mess. thank [the creature] that it's over i am never thinking about this shit again
I will literally never forget this I had a blast laughing on every crappy thing happening in the show and then this ending happens it's literally unforgettable I can't even shittalk it I'm just so stunned I can't even process what's in my mind
I found this theory on reddit that does a better job at explaining the ending, if anyone is interested.
It’s quite the read, but it’s explained very well.
It made the ending have more sense, at least in my opinion.
https://www.reddit.com/r/platinumend/comments/sdw2rc/platinum_end_theory_who_is_god_and_those/
The plot of this show is practically math at this point.
I actually really like this anime and just need to get the last volume of the manga to finish the series.
i strongly feel that everyone's interpretation & enjoyment (or disappointment) of a piece of fiction is subjective, that being said, even though there is now doubt that this anime is flawed, & from what ive heard the manga is too (?), i still think it deserved credit. it didnt seem that superficial to me, it showed us what we expected in the first half, & then expanded upon the initial mystery in the second half, & finally gave us both a happy ending & a bitter-sweet, mysterious open ending with room for a lot of potential speculation. i think the story succeeded in it its intentions. not all good works of fiction have to be fully understood to be good, sometimes the mystery & unanswered questions is what makes it good, at least for me.
I liked the ending, it was quite shocking and terrifying at the same time, I never would have expected that ending.
The ending was quite disappointing, it felt meaningless and quite rushed, nasse's explanation of everything in the last chapter and the worst is nakaumi, I mean the character who previously wanted to kill himself knowing how cruel the world was ends up doing it like a God, did no one see it coming when they elected him? What is the final message of the story? That we should live our lives knowing that sooner or later we are going to die?
I stand corrected. I thought for sure that I was going to be completely disappointed by the ending and the anime as a whole. I have to say though, the ending redeemed the anime. I know many of you hate it, but I got to say, there are so many messages conveyed in that last episode that get you really thinking. It's kinda why a lot of people hated Death Note's ending. They just couldn't fully grasp the messages that were trying to be told.
Don't get me wrong I hated quite a few parts of this anime, but at least the ending was great.
Same. I haven't watched the anime since it started releasing but in the manga I was shocked as hell at the ending lmao. I was mad but I came to terms with it and, rn, I think it's sick. To some people it comes off as "edgy" or "time-wasting" but tbh I just thought it was so on par with the creators of Death Note and the messages they send. They knew it'd piss people off and did not care
I completely agree. I feel if we had a "nice happy ending" I would have not been satisfied in the least. With the ending that they did... Well, I was more surprised and shocked than anything. I mean I expected that the least out of all the possible endings, and I think it was a fitting ending to "playing god".
What a disappointing end.
It was kinda cool learning the Angels can come from basically anything somehow, but why even start down that rabbit hole in the final episode? Best thing about this episode was seeing Murai and Saki together.
I was enjoying the show for the most part up til the last 5 or so episodes. Started going downhill fast, and 24 fell straight off a cliff. I can't believe how badly this show ended.
One of the worst narratives that i've ever saw, read or heard since the first 'stories' made by our ancestors craving their pointed stones in caves.
The guy who saw any genius message or perspective in this crap is just a moron desperate to grab attention...But the show was useful to all of us know how NOT TO write something, so wasn't a complete waste of time.
I don't watch anime much at all, but if I did I'd probably say that this was a not so platinum end.
