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Anyone here disagrees with this?
I just want to see who disagrees with this and why cause this is interesting for me
TL;DR: There is no rule or limit on how to make a good story.
A good story can exist in all genres and types of stories. From this, i feel genres and demographics don't matter much in terms of what makes that story in question a good one. They can matter on how much they can interesting for someone in experiencing them. It is highly possible to dislike something most people consider to be a decent story, or the other way around. A mecha anime can be as good as SOL manga, even tho they both have different mediums and genres.
There are no check lists or rules that a story have to meet to be considered good. a good story can be good for different reasons and from different perspectives.
Agreed. Storytelling is an art, and, like all other forms of art, there are no right and wrong answers. There's better and worse ways to go about doing something, but that all comes down to opinion.
I don't really disagree with you. There are conventions, but those are ultimately guidelines to stories more so than what is necessary for a story to be good.
Not really, no, I don't disagree. Different storytellers tell different stories, there are no rules, no 'correct way'. However I should mention that, in my opinion, a good storyteller should know when it is time to end a story. Endlessly dragging the plot and making it longer just for the sake of continuity definitely does more harm than good.
Who told you that there is a rule to make a good story lmao.
A good story can exist in every genre and every permutation and combination of different genres. What many people forget is that genre is used to help sort similar stories, not serve as a guideline to what a story should be like.
But intent and execution is important. A movie like the The Room might be unintentionally enjoyable but that doesn't make it a good movie.
Don't disagree. We all—quite literally in fact—see art differently. Depending on your personality you'll begin examining a piece of artwork from a different part of the canvas than someone else might have. How we perceive and interpret art is totally subjective for each individual person as a result.
This is old knowledge. "One man's trash is another man's treasure."
i.e. a good story is a different thing to different people.I think we could agree that there are some obvious limitations, though. For example, a story needs a subject.
That might sound too fundamental, but once you accept it as a requirement you have to keep deciding what other basic things a story requires: characters, events, etc. Then you're already creating a "checklist" for a "good" story.
a story needs a subject
well i think a good story is a story that is good. it has to be a story first before it is good.
You probably didn't mean to, but you just dismissed storytelling through abstract means. For instance, music.
That was my point though, most people take for granted that there are necessary elements of a story. It's just a question of how specific you get.
i don't think i fully understand what you mean. i admit i am not a smart person. what did you mean that i dismiss storytelling? sorry for my ignorance.
You dismissed abstract storytelling, like music. For example, it's common in classical for composers, performers and listeners to approach musical pieces as stories, even without a defined subject.
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i think what you are saying and what i am saying are irrelevant. I'm discussing good stories, not stories themselves.
I completely agree with this and echo the sentiments of other comments. Stories are an art form and are completely and entirely subjective. Literally anything in a story is variable and up to interpretation.
I disagree. I don't think there's something like a "good Story". At heart, a story is laid out to achieve a specific effect or goal, unique to the story. Keeping that in mind, it's not adequate to think of a Work of fiction as something with an inherent measure of Quality. No anime can be as good or bad as another anime.
if there is no good story, then there is no bad story. because how can there be shadows if there is no light. do you disagree with this?
well being good or bad is just a binary scale, of cause that scale cant work without both of them. having said that, i do find Storys to be good or bad, because i find myself appreciating the merits certain Storys achieve while i reject concepts or Goals other Storys have or even fail to present. But this characteristic of a Story being good or bad to me doesn't translate to some kind of universal scale of Quality.
in my opinion, I believe tehre is no sucj thing as universal scale of quality. because you cant find something everyone agrees on.
that's for sure. but i meant to point out something else. Even without considering other peoples opinions, a story can appear to be successfull or failing to you in doing what it does. While other Storys may also appear equally successfull or failing, they succeed or fail in something different, because a Story doesn't pursue a universal idea of "being good" but rather absract Goals individual to the Story. Things like the Rating System on this site are just measures for personal enjoyment.
