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[Spoilers] Summer Time Rendering - Episode 5 Discussion

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What did you think of the episode?
What was your favorite scene or moment?
Are you enjoying the series so far?
What do you expect or want to happen next?

meguXmeme 4y
I knew this show was gruesome by this point. But this episode was the darkest so far. We learnt that there is a limit to his respawn ability (basically a nerfed Subaru) so now the stakes are infinitely higher. I love the juxtaposition of beautiful animation with the gore and violence. I wish this show had been picked up by Crunchyroll, it's a shame not many people are watching it. Roll on next week, I can't wait to see how Shinpei alters the future.
- Zantagio 4y
  Its probably better it wasn't picked up by crunchyroll, the probably would've censored it to hell to suite their wants.
  braylenwestfall 4y
  isnt subarus power also shit with the fact that he never knows when his spawn point could randomly move ahead by a lot
  CraftsmanSP 4y
  That's still better than finite replayability. You can simply be cautious with your respawn points.
  RioFS 4y
  They are both shit, really.
  
  On the one hand, Shinpei's checkpoints move forward but on the other hand, it does not give him enough trauma, allowing him to think objectively.
  In Subaru's case, his checkpoints remain constant for a loop but the trauma takes away his ability to think objectively hampering his decision-making, a big XXXing weakness for one who loops.
  
  That said, in Subaru's case, it is possible to make RBD OP by walking the path of a sage.
  Zantagio 4y
  I mean I'd imagine Shinpeis gonna have a good amount of trauma seeing his sister and friends die so many times and dealing with himself dying that many times.
  
  I think most of the reason he appears calm is because a sane person in that situation with those shadows realizes if he hesitates and if things don't work out, he's fucked no matter the circumstances because these shadows have super human powers.
  RioFS 4y
  Yeah but its nowhere close to obstructing his ability to think logically, like in Subaru's case.
  continue this thread →
- Zantagio 4y
  "how Shinpei alters their future" judging by what we see in Episode 5 toward the end , it feels more like it works on multiverse theory which means the changes only take effect for him and the realities he left still exist.
  
  Cuz we see that exactly happen while he's in between that reality and the next , the reality doesn't disappear , he disappears and everything gets eaten by the shadow behind him.
  MrParadox 4y
  I didn't noticed that, i just thought it was just to raise the stakes, what would happen if he doesn't succeeds. The fact that it's its own universe makes this show more darker than i originally thought it was.
Removed 4y
The 25 episodes will cover all of the manga?
- ANBARVIII 4y
  Yes, it's a complete adaptation
  Matt0 3y
  looking at the manga, most of the time, they have between 10-24 pages in a chapter, the first chapter is obviously a chunky one, and the last few are also a decent length, so idk how the pacing will be affected, trying to cram something like 150 chapters (if they had an average number of pages) worth of information into 25 episodes, an average of 6 chapters worth of content into one 20 minute episode.
- CleanUpNick 4y
  looks like it
- MrParadox 4y
  I hope so.
Zantagio 4y
I'm curious about what this mother shadow is because unlike the others it has its own form and seemingly its own personality.
CleanUpNick 4y
i love this show it's like Re:ZERO but the stakes are high for once, i love everything from the funny characters to the darkest scenes
Doom 4y
loving this adaptation, the only thing i didnt like was action felt a little awkward this episode.

other than that, this is fantastic. the panel i was waiting for was done justice beautifully
- Charllak 4y
  which panel was it?
  Doom 4y
  
  Charllak 4y
  sheeeeeeesh
Chunz 4y
Episode 5 be like :
- vmixle 4y
  EXACTLY
vidasagom 4y
Week after week it shows why is the best anime of this season.

Sorry for the Spy X Family and Paripi Koumei fans.
- Titan 4y
  I like them both but I don't look forward to them the same way I do with this show. It really feels like a cut above the rest.
  vidasagom 4y
  Yeah, I like them both too but STR is something else, the atmosphere, the mystery, the story makes you wonder every week how it could deliver something better and it ends successfully improving every week.
Eeen 4y
I'm not exactly sure what this is, but during the ending of this episode, while the credits roll and its showing the cast members, there's a pixelated name at the bottom of the cast list. I'm not sure what/who exactly this is as A) I cant read Japanese and B) Its pixelated, but I'm assuming it was the voice of the massive shadow. It was such a niche thing that I don't know how I even noticed it, but it was still cool none the less.
- ANBARVIII 4y
  Good observation. And yeah, it's the voice of the massive shadow.
lotusprey 4y
I'm kind of dumbfounded as to why the shadow "boss", knowing that Shinpei is a threat, didn't at least try to make him unconscious or why the vale was evading the woman with the shotgun up until she had already killed the protagonist.
- MrParadox 4y
  Plot armor. Otherwise how long will the show last?
RioFS 4y
The atmosphere, man, so horrifying and well-done. Seeing the mountain of corpses like than and THEN seeing them disappear, they conveyed the horror quite well.

The Mother made an appearance as well. Looked quite dope, what with the red contrasting with Shinpei's blue.

Its strange that boss shadow let Shinpei be executed like that. Would have expected him to bind badass onee-san so she couldn't shoot him but slip-ups happen, I suppose.

But it seems the loop system has a downside with the starting points gradually moving forward but at the same time its great that Shinpei doesn't have to bear the trauma from death, allowing him to think objectively, unlike the other loopity-doopity guy.
Slue 4y
I'm confused, can anyone tell me why Shinpei was caught off guard when the lady introduced herself?
- pasxali 4y
  I think she said she was the author of the books he was reading thats why he called her novelist
  Slue 4y
  When was he reading said book. Do you remember.
  pasxali 4y
  Epsiode 2 2:20
  Slue 4y
  Ahhhh, ok i see thank you. That made this latest episode make a lot more sense.
Szczurek 4y
Damn It's getting better and better imo. It certainly didn't feel like a 5/25 episode, holy f*ck, more like culmination/endgame. The graphics looks so nice, atmosphere is almost on point, not overly dramatic yet making you feel involved. I feel so hyped for the next ones, now it's time for a shinpei's strategy on how to move forward with limited, as we learned in this episode, lives. For now my top 2 of the season with spy x family <3
Hams3 4y
I‘m surprised a lot of people are comparing this to Re:Zero rather than to Higurashi, as that one is a lot more similar. A „disease/illness“ killing people in some deserted place (village vs an island), not knowing which character is „good“ in each timeloop and it all being connected to a festival and some kind of god (who look eerily similar ngl). Hell, it even has a lot of cicadas lol. Not that I mind tho, I‘m a big Higurashi fan and so far this show is doing an incredible job at scratching that specific itch for me.

It‘s kind of weird how this is only the 5th episode, yet so much has already happened, and it felt weird already seeing the „end game boss“ so to speak. Though the pacing isn’t really unpleasant and it makes sense in-universe. Just makes me wonder what the rest of the 20 episodes are gonna be. Hopefully it doesn’t flop
- tooborderline 1y
  two years late, but i think the main difference is the point of view, the way the narrator chooses to unpack the story. While higurashi is really slow at pacing, and chooses to let the viewer stimulate decide by themselves what is happening until the climax is reached. The narrator of summertime render gives every information needed on the first few episodes, and i suppose the rest will be rather focused on the action, unlike higurashi which for a matter of fact choosed to. be a mystery show till the end
- charlotents 8mo
  I also feel like this is more similar to Higurashi, even though I like Re:Zero a lot and never finished Higurashi, this series has a similar setting + just the general vibes match up more, rather than Re:Zero where the story is more classic isekai and the only similarity is the death loop
vmixle 4y
This episode is the best so far. Even when they revealed that Shenpi's eye is the reason he could set back time again, the mystery only adds up as the "mother" shadow is introduced. Quoting Hizuru Minakata's words " Can you really save everyone?"... I haven't read the manga, but if the time loop returned him to the scene where the last episode took place, I wouldn't be surprised, and I'm not even surprised a bit with a creepy Dr showing up and talking with a shadow in this episode, ofc there would be a crazy dr/scientists wearing a coat- A part of me hoped that this was the real Ushio, and not a shadow :(
- MrParadox 4y
  Me too, even though i knew it would be the shadow, i just wanted her to be the real one.
GestaltS 4y
well...... this show just took a whole other direction!
DangoDoom 4y
I am a shadow... The true self...
Dirtyfeetwithfungus 4y
so far the adaptation is perfect, i wonder if they can fit all 139 chapters in 25 episodes or will it be rushed?
- Removed 4y
  this is an answer that we will only know in the end
  but I was also curious 139 chapts in 25 episodes seems kind of rushed..
  let's wait and hope it's not
Removed 4y
I was going to talk about the MIB girl's boobs
but then some black aliens appear killing people and doing a ritual and the shit caught fire and then it all went down the drain

the ost really reminded me re:Zero (1 ss)
and back to zero, lets go!
YusufAksoy 3y
Summer Time Rendering is basically Re: Zero but 10x better, in my opinion:

1) The MCs

Subaru is a dumbass. He's constantly out of touch with reality despite all the dying, he acts like a buffoon to everyone he meets, he makes very obviously stupid decisions. He's only ever "traumatized" occasionally but quickly recover by the next episode immediately; which isn't even trauma. Trauma is a mental health issue that LASTS for MONTHS and frequently affects your ability to think in some way. Trauma isn't, "I got killed by some cute maids then I got nightmares for 1 day, then completely recovered afterwards." Calling Re: Zero an accurate depiction of mental health issues and trauma is a mockery to people who actually suffer from those issues.

Whereas Shinpei can behave like a somewhat reasonable human being, constantly is thinking, planning, and just makes for a far more common sense protagonist.

2) The plots

Re: Zero does not have a coherent plot; it constantly jumps from arc to arc without really connecting those arcs until season freaking 2. In arc 1, Subaru is fixated on saving a cute stranger girl whose name he doesn't even find out until the end of the arc, and some thieves. Why? Why is any of this happening? Who is Elsa? What does this arc have to do with the following arc with the maids and the mansion? We don't find out until season 2. Everything is so vaguely connected. What is Subaru's overall goal? How do any of the events that happen connect to that goal? Nothing is clearly connected. It's just "shit happens" the anime.

Summer Time Rendering fixes this issue by simply focusing on making a coherent plot; there is ONE overarching conflict, a clearly defined end goal; to find out wtf is going on with these shadows, to stop this apocalyptic thing happening, to save everyone's' lives.

3) The reset points.

In Re: Zero Return by Death is absolutely broken, despite the anime and its fans claiming otherwise: Subaru's restart point is not even explained whatsoever until season freaking 2. And when it IS explained, it is so vague that it's always convenient. There is only ONE time where Subaru resets at the wrong time. But aside from that, nothing like that happens again.

In Summer Time Rendering, the anime makes it clear now that there IS a limit to Shinpei's time travel powers: every time he dies, the reset point is moved slightly forward. And because ep 5 has established that Shinpei has a deadline to save everyone's butt, this actually does something that other time travel anime and video games I've seen NOT do: add an actual sense of urgency. Shinpei CANNOT take his time and reset unlimited number of times, unlike whiny Subaru.

AND to top it off Summer Time Rendering does something that other time travel anime/games I've seen and played have mostly NOT done which is: make it so that the antagonists CAN learn of the MCs time travel abilities. Summer Time Rendering has clearly established: the antagonists CAN learn of Shinpei's time travel schtick and when they DO they're smart enough to keep him alive and restrained, essentially fucking Shinpei over completely. Because Shinpei, like Subaru, is not a badass: they can both only rely on their time travel abilities, their wit, ability to communicate and gather info. It's actually terrifying that the antagonists can render Shinpei useless through this.
swarming1905 3y
By far and away the best anime I've watched in years. Holy shit it's so good.

One question I have is whether the time loop necessarily goes forward a little each time, or whether this is actually tied to how long he survives for. He died quickly the first time, less quickly the second, and much longer the third.

In the end that may end up being an extraneous detail in a show like this though.

I know people were talking about how the shadows can learn from his previous memories, but that doesn't seem like it would transfer across loops. It's only once he gets 'copied' with that flash that they learn his memories and realise he's looping. I think it would be quite immersion-breaking for that to carry across the loop as the logic doesn't really work. The danger is nevertheless that if he is copied during a loop, he's in more and more danger each time as they realise immediately how much of a threat he is.