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[Spoilers] Chainsaw Man - Episode 1 Discussion
What did you think of the episode?
- Favorite scene/moment?
- Enjoying the series so far?
- What do you expect or want to happen next?
(in an effort of fairness, reclaiming thread so users blocked by the OP can still discuss the show)
why do they insist on using ass cg for up close shots i will never understand
prob cause chainsaw man would be hard to draw frame by frame especially in such a close shot, it wasnt that noticable anyway
it felt too noticeable to me honestly
Close ups like this?
Check out that PS2 Resident evil neck!
I don't know how you can say it wasn't noticeable. the entire final fight was so painful to watch because of the very noticeable and very horrible CGI.
No way fr??? Could you please redo the fight then?
No way maybe you can idk... give the animators and staff like another year to work on it instead of rushing everything with this awful CGI? just maybe.
I don't give this stupid logic of yours "oh you criticized this so it must mean you can do it better"
Person responds with "oh yeah??? maybe you can do better then huh???" when therapist points out that they are in denial about ruining their own life
continue this thread →I don't get why people hate CGI so much, I get sometimes it can be bad, but I didn't even know there was CGI in this episode until I hit this thread lol, people are weird I guess.
give the animators and staff like another year to work on it instead of rushing everything with this awful CGI? just maybe
the manga publisher won't agree for that since they want to sell the anime in time also CGi costed mappa money so probably will cost more time and money for mappa to animate it again in 2D.
You guys need to take Mappa's dick out of your mouth for five seconds and see their obvious flaws. Your argument of "Can you do better?" makes no fucking sense whatsoever.
@L9tw Thank you. They really need to stop choking down so hard on mappa and see the reality of it.
"Can you do it better?"
STFU lol
continue this thread →Well, if you can't do better then that just means that Mappa's CGI is the best and nothing will change.
THANK GOD SOMEONE NOTICED AND WASN'T JUST MEAT RIDING THE ANIME
@Xe0K I'm with you 100%! A lot of meat choking. They are also using bots on twitter to try to attack anyone who comments any valid criticism. If it's such a great show then why would they need bots?
Anime fans still acting like any form of CGI is "horrible" in 2022
It's. It's anime, animation, 2D, and not 3D animation that looks worst than the five nights at Freddy's fan videos on youtube, not only that, they tried to hide it so hard in the trailers. Imagine ordering a pizza and being delivered soup.
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You do know anime stands for animation, not 2D animation? That 3D animation also is a form of animation?
continue this thread →THIS. JUST THIS. WE WERE GIVEN SOUP INSTEAD OF PIZZA. I was SO let down after seeing the first episode vs the trailer. They tried to market it and hide the CGI completely
I'm totally okay with CGI in anime especially if it's done well like dorohedoro for instance. But..what we saw in this episode was... kinda wack after all the hype ngl. Hope they're just saving all the great animation for the bigger parts.
Yeah the CG felt pretty jarring to me. Hopefully I'll get used to it
my hopes aren't high considering this was their premiere episode.. i'm praying it was a one off and the rest of the fights don't look like that, especially considering how gorgeous the 2d animation was in the trailers. i hope mappa don't waste the ip with cgman the entire season, though with the amount of dickriding in this thread they'll probably be fine regardless of what they do lmao
Open your eyes, classical MAPPA stuff. Same for SnK """"""Final Season""""""". Hand drawing trailer, with high saturation colors. Then when it release, CGI and rotoscoping everywhere with fade color palette :). It doesn't surprise me at all to be honest.
Don't have those expectations, I hope I'm wrong but the same happened to me when AOTS4 was realased, "uhh CGI, well it's the first episode, maybe it gonna improve in the next episodes" and then it got worse with the horrible cgi of Eren and scouts vs Warhammer
CRAPPA shouldn't have been allowed around CGI in the first place. We saw MAPPA's potential in JJK and they just scratched that and decided to use (bad) CGI in AoT S4 and CSM for no apparent reason whatsoever besides saving money (we all know this money won't go to the animators anyways).
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I'm going to say it! Mappa has no potential with 2D animation, they have already shown that they don't care about it and that they expect us to accept that 3D is the future of anime while all the other studios are still sticking with old school, for the best, Mappa and Jujutsu shouldn't even be related, the director animated himself a lot of scenes and it was him that contracted a handful of top tier freelancers, he deserved more credit, he was so mad he decided to make his own studio after jujutsu and i don't think he will be there for jujutsu 2. Mappa is the worst, they keep cutting corners and making the animation cheaper and cheaper while mixing it with 3D, they in this for the money and nothing else, they even invested their own money on Chainsaw man and marketed it to the sky, even got popular singers to call more people and all of this while hiding the real product from the trailers, it fking looks like a scam animation studio and everyone is liking being scammed, really hope most people are not watching this in paid streaming.
MAPPA employees: *overworking themselves to the exhaustion, get paid the bare minimum * People across the internet: 
who's talking shit about the employees? it's like eating a terrible new menu item at mcdonalds and blaming the employee who made it. you'd be crazy not to empathise with the employees, but mappa as a company is at fault for even allowing it to happen on one of the most hyped shows this year. blame the suits, not the poor bastards at the bottom.
honestly i find it ridiculous when people come up with this "argument", same with 'well have you SEEN beserk 2016??'. why are you willingly eating the cocks of high level business execs who think cheaping out like this is okay? what do you stand to gain?
@masochistic I'm with you bro. The issue is, choking cocks is just what they are about. They would rather gulp Mappa's loads then accept any honest criticism. It really is cringe asf.
Don't bring the employees to this because somehow it's justifiable to say "Thank you mappa", when the CEO of mappa makes the employees work forever in jobs that have an impossible deadline like AoT final season, but it's not justifiable to say the "CGI is a bad" thing when the CEO hides it the best he can from the trailers, also, who do u think fking animates CGI, not animators right???
mmmmmmmmmmmmm blood :)
i liked it. cgi wasn’t as bad as i thought it’d be. soundtrack was sounding good too as to expect from Kensuke Ushio. seems promising so far. i hope the cgi isn’t a constant though it probably will be
it was really really good but the close up's w cgi were a bit meh
That goes for like every show with CGI ever but yeah it looks pretty rough. The rest were solid so I didn’t complain
Definitely not true. There are good show with cgi used correctly and you won't even bother unless you pay attention. CGI/3d models has been around forever, lucky star or cowboy bebop and god's know how many old show used it. It works when done right. Not in this case in my opinion.
Yeah it works surprisingly well when it’s done right, but damn I guess I really have to watch more old shows.
Agree, but this one aint there...
That is what i was implying. This one feels off.
When CGI is done well, you often can't even tell it was done in 3D.
It's the same technique used in 2D video games. Take the recent indie game "Dead Cells" for example. The character in that game is modeled and animated in 3D, but by clever use of shaders and lighting, it renders and appears 2D.
Like @notpearitspeer said. A lot of anime have made use of CGI in a way that makes use of clever angles and shaders to such an extent that it looks no different than traditionally animated anime.
It just makes the animator's jobs easier, more often than not. It's just not something that is easy to do correctly.
They clearly tried to do it well here, and honestly, I've see some real shit CGI in anime - hell, I've deleted anime from my list for having bad CGI - and this CGI was probably a solid 7-8/10 in comparison to other noticeable CGI.
In my opinion, of course.
kino.
Within the first few minutes, it is easy to see why Chainsaw Man managed to capture the manga community's attention - the moroseness of its world (captured with washed-out colors in its anime adaptation) is embodied by its debt-ridden character who has already gone to staggering ends to pay them off, all the while cloaked in the idea of just wanting to be "normal." The cartoonishness of Pochita likewise embodies this juxtaposition, something wholesome underneath the darker macabre on the immediate surface.
This is a world that ultimately does not care about or for Denji, which implants in the audience the story of a hero surpassing that which he is condemned to be - forgotten and just another person not worth anything. The heavy bass and atonality in the flashback soundtrack is a reflection of just how low, and doomed, his fate is. To the yakuza, Denji is but a chainsaw - a tool, and nothing more.
As far as other things as concerned, the imagery in general is delightfully grotesque, bloody like a splatter flick and tinged with fluid animations throughout. The CGI is not an eyesore, appropriately showing off the unnaturalness of Denji's transformation, among other things. Tonally, the series allows itself to stew in its dark, twisted sense of humor (not trying to be laughingly-funny, but funny in the sense that you find something attractively-weird) of nihilism while opening the door for new, revived hopes. The seiyuu also clearly have a lot of fun voicing these characters, both in the quieter moments and the over-the-top violence. The choreography is also spot-on, smooth in its movement while also making clear that Denji's strikes are not as smooth as they could potentially be (he does a lot of flailing. After all, he's only just starting out - you can't expect perfection right away).
...so yeah, the show's alright, I guess :P
I dont remember any shounen where the world cares about the protagonist in an inherent way.
Denji is simply even dumber, unluckier than other characters like him (like the big 3 shounen). Don't have much to argue about the rest of your writing.I dont remember any shounen where the world cares about the protagonist in an inherent way.
I probably should have clarified that my comment wasn't meant to show how Chainsaw Man is different in that respect, since it was more meant to illustrate how the series goes about showing the uncaring world as it relates to Denji. Regardless, that's on me for not being clear enough.
And as far as other shonen, I'd argue that Fist of the North Star is even more cold and uncaring, primarily because its world is in a calamity's aftermath, resources are scarce, and it makes clear that those who are strong survive mostly by exploitation, pillaging, etc.
Great analysis!
Your first two paragraphs explain exactly why the first part of the episode was my favorite, I really enjoyed the execution and the overall tone
CGI Bruhh
the cgi looks great what are you on about. Of course 2D would've been better but then they would've had to sacrifice the fluidity of the animation
seen the keni fight with levi from attack on titan? don't talk about an anime losing its fluidity with just being 2D
"did you see literally one of the best animated scenes in anime ever? This show can't keep up this level of animation from the very beginning so it sucks" Nice argument
i never said i wanted it like in aot i was saying that animating in 2d doesnt ruin the fluidity of the animation like you said
but still, it could have been better. they hyped the anime so much with the trailers and never used CGIs in the previews but then all we could see in the anime was CGI
i know its harder to hand draw everyframe but for a studio that sacrificed aots animation saying that they were working on chainsaw man just to end up with a shittier version of aot? you cant ignore that this was fucked up
continue this thread →What are you even talking about? There was clearly CGI in the trailers. And obviously 2D scenes can be fluid too, it just takes much more time. Levi vs Kenny or Levi vs Beast Titan were once in a lifetime experiences created by an really outstanding and passionate team, but this can't be the standard for every new anime.
Besides all of that, you get 25 minutes of kino in the first episode of an anime and complain about like 8 scenes filled with really well done CGI, at this point you people just want to complain about anything that's not 10/10.
This just shows you haven't watched the right shows. This is entirely incorrect because there are so many action fights that are 2D that have insane fluidity.
I have watched a lot of shows with great 2D animation but people are acting as though CGI ruins the entire show. 2D animation with fluid animation is very much possible but
- we've only seen a single episode so we can't really judge it yet
- the non CG parts look absolutely incredible
- the CG itself looks a lot better than most CG used in anime and besides Denji's model, it's hard to notice unless you pay attention to it
It's definitely possible to notice the CGI without paying attention to it. It feels unnatural. The city's backgrounds, the cars, the people walking by, not to mention the zombies and Denji during the cutscene, it's all awfully noticeable. The CGI did ruin the fight scene and some other scenes.
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You can notice the cars but lets be honest 99% of cars in anime are full CG and the city, really? That's just bs
OR, they could have just given themselves more time, because having seen the team behind the anime I'm certain they could've done the battle more fluidly (idk if thats a word) than what they did without the use of cgi. Plus the most annoying use of cgi for me was when it was static, which would have been easy to fix, like denji's and pochita's close ups.
You don't sacrifice fluidity with 2D animation, it just takes more work.
Yea maybe a little too much work if you want all 2D fights to look as fluid as this fight scene...
I would say that's simply a matter of the studio and their budget. A modern example, Ufotable's season 1 of Demon Slayer had great fight scenes and they were running on the standard anime two-cour budget, they used 2D and CG quite masterfully.
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well yea but Ufotable is like THE studio when it comes to good animation. You can't expect every anime to look like a 10/10. I'm not saying CSM doesn't have any flaws but I think it looks great and a few CGI scenes wont change my mind
stop lying to urself mate. This is fking Chainsaw Man. It's not unreasonable for us to have our standards set high to the point where we don't expect noticable CGI for close up shots. It's ruined the vibe of the fight scene for me honestly.
It looks awesome, cant wait to watch more
Kensuke Ushio is GOATED. And the art and animation and voice acting and everything were great.
Only real concern was some CGI parts but its not even as bad as ppl made it out to be and also wasn't super prevalent. As long as they don't go all-in CGI for all the fights and long scenes going forward it should be fine.
Man such a good adaptation, Denji's VA did a phenomenal work.
What stole this episode was nothing but this cute blob of a weapon.
Like wtf Pochitha chewing on bread and biting into denji's arm sounds were so cute.
The animation especially the fabrics during movements of characters, backgrounds and the airborne fight were all so good. (i swear if people are still complaining about well done cgi scenes in some cuts they are not serious)
OP funny and not full of gore, i love it (had a smile plastered on my face throughout it)
Love the ed but wish the visuals were included in the episode as well
Even though i read the manga, the music during the flashback scene was so good that it had me emotional (Once again Denji's VA was great)
Awesome! I know it’s only had one episode released , but it’s a new favorite for me
t-th-the cgi… it-it ruinedd t-the episode… chainsaw man is.. ruined cause of.. cgi…
seriously can yall shut up about it its not a big deal
peak episode
yeah idk it's honestly not that noticeable for me, i think they've improved trying to make it match with the 2d more since the most recent aot season
their cgi style is better than 90% of cgi in anime imo and i want to see it improve more since its a great tool
super surprised but also not surprised at all that people are whining about it lol, if they wanna let 3 seconds of a 3d model in an anime ruin their experience, then so be it
The people complaining about cgi need to quite literally grow up there is nothing wrong with it stop crying because it wasnt all hand-drawn. It's an anime not a fucking movie.
First episode was insanely good.
pretty crap opening
but it matches the chainshit manOK animation (nothing great it's a copy and paste from jujutsu)
CGI meh
story? (yeah I read the manga)
characters: ? who cares, they don't add anything
for teenagers and alienated audiences it looks goodfor the fanatics on duty:
(besides that I didn't even approach the story more punctured than a sieve, but just rub your fly paws on the chainshit man and be happy)
because, what comes from below doesn't reach me and how mimi comes from below, cyaCry about it
Why are you watching then if you think its shit?
As someone who read part 1 basically 3 times at this point, everything was spot on aside a few small things, the CGI closeups were in fact not very good, but when the CG was in actual motion it was not easy to discern it from traditional animation, it reminded me a bit of the HNK adaptation with how well it flowed.
Aside from that, music is great, the OP and ED are bangers and in general it was a great first episode.Art is sick, animation is sick, music is sick, great first episode
Very good start to a much awaited show. MAPPA delivering with the animations as usual and the CGI really wasn't as bad as people made it out to be back when parts of it got leaked from a live event. Though there are some shots with CGI that is gonna take time to get used to, but not something that ruins the experience in any way at all. I also appreciate the fact that they decided to include most if not all of the gore and violence that made csm what it is today. Though maybe it was too much to expect them to animate the ED considering there's supposed to be a different one each episode, 12 in total. Either ways, i'm looking forward to what the show has to offer moving forward
AMAZING!
You can really see Mappa tried to make the whole anime a piece of art, literally. You can just see that from the animation.
Denji going bleh with the close up, amazing shot dang!
The animation for the fight scene around the end of the episode, when he went Chainsaw Man mode- amazingly done, amazing CGI. Especially after knowing how hard making CGI is lolz. Gotta say I lost my hype during those 2 years waiting, but the first episode brough it all back!
They also don't have a very fast pace, which imo made this all the way better.
I think Mappa once again really showed what they are capable of.Then lastly, the voice acting. From the trailers on I was not a very big fan of Denji's va, he did not sound like I thought he would. This episode completely changed my opinion, it fits perfect. Love it.
Makima's voice aswell, insane- love it!"You can really see MAPPA tried to make the whole anime a "PIECE OF ART".
--Wait....
"You can just see that from the animation."
--Yes it's a mediocre, fade mixture of cheap hand drawing and honest 3D/CGI.
"amazing shot DANG"
--What about this one on Redline released in 2009 ? This is what a call "a DANG shot".
Lastly, you consider voice acting "perfect".....
I recommend you to watch Lycoris Recoil (for a recent one but other exists). It's an anime where the voice has been recorded BEFORE the animation. Wich means that animator have to animated the mouth (and the caracter) around the existing dialog. It involved that the voice actor has a total freedom in the performance. And you feel it. That's what a call "a perfect Voice Acting". This Chainsaw Man anime has nothing noticable considering voice acting.
Sorry but I really don't get the MAPPA's fans.
bro no one cares who even are you 💀💀
Oh, we got a brawler here :)
You have a pretty damn constructive argument I have to admit.
I really think that this thread feal much more relevant from now thank's to you! Be proud.
Anyway, I just share what I consider "good reference" to make people curious and not restrict theirselves to "classical must watch", because there is a lot of unknown anime that are way better than the traditional "banger one". Feel free to consider watching Redline (because I suppose you are a dickrider's MAPPA) :).
Wow damn I’m sorry for the fact opinions exist?
LOL READ THO, I never said it was perfect, I said it FITS perfect.
How do you expect me to compare it to an anime I’ve never heard of lmaooo.My guy, I suggest you just take your butthurt ass outta here
Hmm my bad, this section is only for spreading all the love from the MAPPA's fans without any divergent or constructive/sharing opinions/references. That's the real sense of "discussion"...
That's true, I've nothing to do here then.PS : That's why I share you some anime, to compare and realize that, this is not that good.
I don’t see any reason what loving Mappa has to do with loving the first episode?
Also I don’t appreciate you disrespecting my opinion, if you disagree with it then just scroll further I don’t need you here. This forum is meant to spread your opinion, you can make your own comment and say what you think, no need to come at me trying to tell me my opinion is ‘wrong’. Because yes, I did have a great time watching it and that’s not going to change with you childishly coming at me.
I don’t need other anime, I’ve found other great ones myself and I got my own taste of anime.
I wish you a great day, calm down and don’t get too worked up over nothing okay? Not gonna argue with children.
Who made you the expert on what people can and can't like? The artstyle fits the theme of the manga and it's a personal preference so your shilling here is worthless even though Lycoris Recoil is indeed good I still enjoy chainsaw man more because of the characters, designs and relatability. Just because you like obscure and niche anime doesn't make you different nor interesting.
Blud thinks he did something
I kind of expected Denji's VA to be a bit more coarse and rough, it didn't end up being like that, sadly. Great episode otherwise, the cgi feels off in a frame or two, but MAPPA is definitely getting there, plus once we adapt to the style of the show, cgi shouldn't be a problem anymore imo.
Mid opening, but visuals are stunning, ed track was good. The fight was kino af though.
