Is there any difference between Prescreening and it airing early on japanese-only ABEMA Premium? All it does is it breaks the release timer by a week.
I pay for HIDIVE and episode 1 on there will be Episode 2 on AL - I'll receive the episode 12 notification a week early and 'll probably forget to watch it a week after that.
I'd submit a feature request to "Delay personal notifications for certain series", but it's such an infrequent and minor thing, so I'll just cope.
So episodes air a week early, in Japan only?
This is different fundamentally an English language site, aimed at a Western demographic. The number of Japanese users on Anilist amount to a rounding error.
The schedule should be adjusted to represent when episodes are actually available to legally watch in the West, with a disclaimer in the description that they air a week early on ABEMA Premium.
That would be the most practical and simple to implement solution that would provide the greatest benefit for the greatest number of users.
Would that be doable, @modchan?
The airing notifications follow the official airing time in the country of origin. I don't believe there is any plan to change that.
@mempo
While I agree that that is the most appropriate system for handling the scheduling entries on the Anilist in nearly all cases, this series is rather unique in how it is released.
The premier episode release dates/times actually do not follow the broadcast schedule in the country of origin. Instead, a specific niche premium channel, ABENA Premium, has obtained the exclusive rights to pre-air episodes of the series one week before their regular scheduled Japanese airing date.
The regular airing schedule for the series in Japan, on TV Tokyo, AT-X, BS Fuji, and even ABENA Anime, which are all the broadcast channels carrying it, starts next week.
So, the Anilist schedule for the series is currently based off of the exclusive pre-air release dates of a single premium channel, rather than the regular broadcast schedule.
It is kind of a strange situation, or, at least, one I don't believe I have ever come across in my 15 years of watching anime, so I do feel that an exception would be warranted for this highly abnormal case - with an appropriate disclaimer in the series description of course.
In the end, you guys are the mods, and I backed out of my chance to take on a mod position years back when I realized my illness was more serious than I had initially thought, and I would largely be bedridden for the foreseeable future, so I have no right to dispute your decision in the matter.
I did want to make sure that you had the full picture of the situation before deciding, as, like I said, this really is a very unusual case.
Regardless of your decision, I do believe a disclaimer in the series description would be appropriate, either to inform users that the schedule follows the pre-air dates on ABENA Premium, and that the regular airing schedule is one week later, or that the episodes pre-air a week earlier than listed on the schedule, exclusively on ABENA Premium, depending on how you decide to handle things.
Anyway, thanks for taking the time to listen to my concerns.
This isn't abnormal at all... it's quite common every season (and for the entertainment industry as a whole) that a company buys exclusive rights to air before others. Western licensors usually also stream it "early" so it's not noticed...
One example off the top of my head is Nagatoro S2 which streamed a week in advance on ABEMA. Crunchyroll streamed it "early" but weirdly only after the 1st episode, with this thread pointing it out.
ep. 1: Jan 7
ep. 2: Jan 11 (mid-week)
ep. 3: Jan 14 (1 week after 1st)
etc.
then you look at Inukai-san that same season... https://inuhiro-anime.com/onair/
it had 3 different versions (of censorship) with 11 different start dates on different channels/websites. first streaming on ABEMA/dAnimeStore, then on Tokyo MX a day later. But then iirc a German licensor had the uncensored version streaming at the same time a month before AnimeFesta.
Another example is Hataraku Saibou S2 and BLACK... but in reverse. It originally streamed on Funimation 2 days in advance of the regular Japanese broadcast.
Going by the times of who is first to regularly release it is just the easiest to deal with.
It's still quite unusual in the grand scheme of things (in the anime industry) - I believe Nagatoro S2 was ABEMA's first attempt at using this model to attract subscribers, which contributed to the initial weirdness with Crunchyroll's scheduling.
Versions of an anime with different degrees of censorship airing at different times is an ancient practice in the anime world when it comes to heavy ecchi/borderline-hentai anime of course, but there is almost always a "core" version that is most heavily censored that airs first for general anime audiences, and (traditionally) a less censored version on AT-X that airs later or the next day, and for anything else, you had to wait for the DVDs/BDs.
Now that anime streaming actually, you know, exists in Japan, it has kind of mixed things up, since censorship isn't necessarily required on streaming, though they usually keep some degree of censorship so as not to cut into BD sales too much. ABEMA seems to be driving much of this chaos.
Hataraku Saibou 2 and Black were a true anomaly, as production committees would usually rather cut their throats than let something appear on Western streaming services before Japanese TV, because they know it will instantly be uploaded to piracy sites, and Japanese anime fans will jump on those releases like a cokehead on a bag of powder, directly cutting into their viewership numbers, which affects the perceived popularity of the program by the network and advertisers, resulting in less valuable ads or even a move to a less lucrative tomorrow timeslot, directly impacting their revenue.
I'm not sure what black magic CR used to make that situation happen, but my bet is it involved big bags of money, ritual latin chanting and several truckloads of puppies sacrificed to one of the more twisted Dukes of hell. I wouldn't count on seeing that happen ever again.
Anyway, the point I was trying to make, as per the first line of this post, is that pre-airing a series on a premium channel or streaming service in Japan is overall still a fairly rare exception.
Anything pre-aired is generally immediately ripped and uploaded to the web, where it is then downloaded en-masse by Japanese fans, resulting in a sharp drop in viewership numbers for the actual broadcast, the advertising revenue from which is the second largest revenue source for production committees after BD sales. To prove the point, the first episode of this series has already been uploaded to the Meow site, and downloaded over 1,600 times, which, for an anime of this caliber in Japan, is a pretty big chunk of viewers that will now not watch it on broadcast - and that was only from one site, and not counting pirate streaming pages.
(Second) anyway, if ABEMA does find success in this model and can convince production committees to let them exclusively pre-air their series earlier, either by the aforementioned cash and blood sacrifice method, or simply by buying a big enough seat on the production committee, we will begin to see this happen more often going forward.
Industry implications aside, what that means for Anilist users, particularly those who rely on Anichart, is that the information there will become increasingly unreliable for release-time information. And, since, unlike AniDB which aims to be the ultimate historical record for all anime, Anilist's whole purpose, aside from being Twitter for teen/tween anime fans, is to help people keep track of release times and personal viewing habits, that will directly affect the site's usefulness for everything unrelated to posting cringy teen anime-philosophy and major spoilers on general.
In the end, the user base here isn't very likely to care about when an anime episode pre-airs on a Japanese streaming service they will never ever use because they don't speak Japanese and fan-subbing is sadly dead. What they will be interested in is being notified when, roughly, an episode will be available for them to watch on a legal streaming service they can actually access, or ahem other places.
Since accuracy and uniformity of information seems to be quite important to you, which I can respect (I have myself spent what adds up to a quite significant amount of time over the years updating AniDB entries and quadruple-checking initial public release dates for OP/EDs to make sure they are accurate), as I mentioned before, a quick and easy way to retain that first-air information would be annotating the series description.
A cleaner, sexier, more work-intensive way, depending on your DB structure/setup, would be to simply add new fields to the series construct for Japanese release date/time and episode number, initialize those fields with the current airing schedule data for all existing series entries, then add those fields to the series information bar. Have it default to be set to equal the values of the existing fields, modify that manually for the series for which it differs, and set the fields to only be displayed when it does. It shouldn't be too hard to implement aside from potentially having to take the site down for (conservatively) an hour or so during low-traffic to update the DB - again, I know nothing about what Anilist is running on the back end, it could all just be spiders back there for all I know, but, assuming it is something SQL-ish, an hour a day for a week or two would be an extremely conservative estimate even if everything that could go wrong ends up doing so.
There are naturally a variety of ways you could expand on this idea, or implement it differently, but it's fundamentally pretty simple, and, being directly aligned with supporting one of the site's core features, I don't think it qualifies as scope creep or extraneous feature development.
But, like I said before, I'm not an Anilist mod, admin or dev, nor do I even know how strictly those roles are separated here (I've had to jump between all three before, and really hope you aren't stuck with that), so you do whatever you think is best.
I'm just a regular old user, who just wants to see the trains run on time, and since I happened to notice that this one wasn't, I wanted to bring it up and see what could be done about it, by treating it either as a rare exception, or, in the case this sort of thing starts occuring more frequently in the future, to recommend you have a plan in place to deal with it.
The airing schedule is a pretty important feature, but it's of the type that you only really recognize the importance of when it fails at its job. I would just cry much like it to continue to be one that regular users (like me!) can safely rely on without having to double check the interwebs for each series to confirm whether the date/time listed is actually one that has any relevance to the actual availability in the West.
Sorry for taking up your time with my wall of text, and again, in the end, you guys/girls/flying spaghetti monsters just do you - I just wanted to at least speak my piece on the subject, since I do feel it is an important one, even if it currently seems rather minor.
Thanks, and goodnight.
Simply put, we are not going to do a massive overhaul where we change dates and times to match non native releases.
The airing schedule when it was implemented didnt match the release time for most entries as at that time true simulreleases were not common. People got by just fine. We are a database that allows people to post their thoughts and talk with friends. Whether you view us as such is immaterial, but we are a database.
and the point I'm making is that it is not unusual nor a fairly rare exception.
Nagatoro in 2023 definitely wasn't the first ABEMA exclusive advanced airing, it was the first example at the top of my head from remembering I looked it up with the mid-week episode confusion.
and with Western companies getting more involved with production and producers targeting a growing worldwide anime-consuming fanbase, it's only going to become more common for simul/early Western releasing... it obviously isn't hurting them when they keep on cashing in the big-money checks from these deals and partnerships.
ex. In 2020, Somali and the Forest Spirit started streaming on Crunchyroll (a co-producer) a few hours before AbemaTV and a week in advance of the regular TV broadcast.
You're saying that us listing the advanced airing dates makes us unreliable and inaccurate but it's no different than how channels have always worked with exclusivity rights on broadcast times. How is saying ABEMA streams a week before Fuji TV different than when TV Tokyo airs an episode a week before Nippon TV? The listed times reflect when a series is first available in a regularly releasing format, no matter if it's aired or streamed.
I can understand wanting us to only notify users when the episode is available for them to watch... but it would just be adding more workload to our already ever-growing maintenance. Users get notified when an episode is first out, which lets them know to refer to licensor's release calendar or use a "watchlist" to see when those new episodes are available to them.