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← view full thread · Attack on Titan Final Season THE FINAL CHAPTERS Special 2 - Episode Discussion
I'm an AOEbro, I was ready to accept the original ending but improved as well, but no it was even worse than the original 139 and 139.5, fuck me man what did i do to deserve this
As a fellow hope chad now ex hope had I’m suffering so much ffs this shit was worse somehow and I was getting clowned by friends for believing in aoe lmfaooaaom(Some one please end my suffering)
I was in ANRime watching it with my fellow Mimachads, but I guess the world is too cruel, well whatever, for me the end will always be ANR, but it's time to move on from this garbage show
i think garbage is a little too much : (
don't worry, you'll find other shows you watch. And in time you might even agree on calling this garbage
continue this thread →your mean score is a failing grade. you better not go around telling people you like anime.
They actually made it much worse. Besides the terrible facial expressions on everyone, what especially pisses me off is Eren's reasoning for this. In the manga, he states that he doesn't know why he did the rumbling. Which is stupid sure but it at least might leave room for the readers' interpretation. Here though he says he did it because he was "Dumb and Stupid".
This is objectively worse. You don't commit genocide because you're oh so silly and quirky. Eren pre-rumbling clearly had a hardened resolve, a justified reason to commit omnicide.
the way i see it, you arent meant to take this literally. sure, he says he is dumb and stupid because he lost himself to freedom. he did literally anything he could just for it and obviously he regrets it.
You don't eradicate 80% of the world's population because you "lost yourself to freedom", it's a calculated and hefty decision he pondered years over. I wouldn't have taken it literally if they kept it similar to the manga because I would've interpreted it however I wanted. But to say he did it because he was stupid is just such a cheap cop-out from providing a genuine motivation for his actions.
you're definitely spitting, but i think there is a different perspective here
I think that, for eren, he personally did not "plan out" the rumbling or any of the events, he was simply copying what his future memory was showing him.
I personally think eren calls himself stupid because he believes that if this power was placed in anyone else's hands, they would probably had envisioned a way better future. But because eren is "stupid", his future is a bleak and bloody one that he must march towards nonetheless.I'm not exactly sure what goes down in the manga though, let me know if you agree
Yeah, he is acting out exactly what his future memories told him, because he is the one who set these plans into motion. He was the one who orchestrated a plan over 2000 years to make sure the attack titan was passed to him. Kinda like Orouborus or a self-fulfilling prophecy of sorts.
If he did call himself stupid because someone else might have come up with a better plan than his, then I think the show did a poor job of exploring that. Isayama wrote himself into a corner by basically providing only two options, so it doesn't matter who made the plan. You either go full genocide which is the more sensical option to prevent the cycle of violence from repeating again. Or half-ass it and only do 80%, in which case the cycle of violence does repeat, just later down the line.
Cook. You can pull out "he's just a kid, so it makes sense he's stupid" reasoning out of and for anyone's ass but it's always going to be nothing more than a cheap cop-out alternative for an actually compelling motivation. It's even worse when Eren's function as a character constantly flip flops its purpose as a passive compelling idiot or an active force of the story. It's such highway robbery and feels like a case of writing getting cornered.
As someone not too big on the ending myself, Erens motives for why he did it in the manga was the most on the nose thing out there.
Literally as he says he "Didn't know" we get a flash to Grisha's words about him being "Free" as a baby. It's so obvious that he did it because of his desire to be free, and how "Freedom" in his eyes was viewing the scenery that he saw in Armins book. The man literally comitted his first murders at age 9, bringing forth destruction if it acted upon his freedom was always part of who he was as a person.
His continued justification for his genocide being that he wanted to protect his friends was true, its undeniable that it was one of his motivations for doing what he did, but at his core it was because the mere existence of civilization beyond the walls was something he hated because it stole his "freedom". Thats why he was willing to sacrifice his own friends despite claiming that he brought upon this massacre for their sake.
bullshit
he didn't "murder" ANYONE at age 9. it was neither unlawful or premeditated. he did kill people at age 9 in an act of self-defense, which is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT
(i assume you're talking about the kidnapper's at the ackerman's home?)
I think its the perfect representation of real life. How people of power start wars due their own selfishness.
Eren was nothing but a kid that gained power, not the entity you belive because you watched his journey. He is what he is not what you want him to be.
He's not a "kid who gained power". He manipulated his own father, orchestrated a plan 2000 years in the making to make sure he was handed the Attack Titan, tricked Zeke, infiltrated the Marleyan Military and tons more. He's a scheming manipulator.
Put yourself in eren's position, and think If you had a power to be a "Literal God", could you handle it and not go insane? the pain and suffering he saw & have gone through was enough to make him a insane dude.
continue this thread →Could be a good point if Eren's "going insane" was written properly and not compressed into flashbacks. Eren's whole character arc post-timeskip is just a terrible joke.
By Kid I don't mean a child in the literal sense. What i'm talking about is maturity. He was so hang up on his plan and doing it his way, that he was afraid to admit that way was wrong. He kept on pushing forward to knowing how it would end.
Same thing for Lelouch from Code Geass, there were many scenes, where shit hit the fan and Lelouch was shocked. Like the thing with Euphy. He kept on saying that he killed her, as if it was intentional. Just to keep up his facade, because his pride wouldn't let him admit that he made mistakes. And he was in the mindset of doing the right thing.
If Eren would've put away his childish pride from the very beginning, he could've found a way to resolve that problem with everyone, especially the once that are more competend at that part like Armin or Erwin.
Thats why when Eren said he dosen't know why he did all that. It just represents on how he lost his way, and actually just blindly went along with his plan, knowing it would end in that disaster OR he was simply to embarassed to admit he was wrong infront of Armin.
At the end of it all Eren is just human, flawed like all of us.
Thats why I'm saying this is just my perspective, you don't have to agree.I would get it if they actually showed that was the answer, but instead they made eren's resolve look like steel throughout it all, just for it to be
"im an idiot"
"i did it to portray you as heroes"
"i moved forward for mikasa's choice"
"i dont know why i did it"
"i wanted to see this sight"
with all due respect that makes no sense. eren didn’t start the war, and he went to war to protect his people. he’s had clear goals and beliefs the whole time which is why the ending sucks. suddenly he “doesn’t know” why he went to war, lol
But that's exactly it. People get into wars with a purpose or a specific objective and eventually it becomes such a messed up fiasco that they lose themselves in it.
All of a sudden you don't even know what you're fighting about anymore or why it has come to this in the first place. It messes you up.
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you are trying to rationalize the ending with a scenario that didn't happen. it isn't a "messed up scenario," eren was always very clear in the fact that he would destroy all his enemies for the entirety of the story. you expect viewers to believe he magically forgot his entire past, goals, and beliefs in the last 4 chapters? you expect us to believe a leader fighting for the safety and freedom of his people becomes a whiny incel overnight? come on man
Contrapoint: Eren is dumb and stupid
To repeat the same response from the other reply, he's not "dumb and stupid". He manipulated his own father, orchestrated a plan 2000 years in the making to make sure he was handed the Attack Titan, tricked Zeke, infiltrated the Marleyan Military and tons more. He's a scheming manipulator.
Yes, but hes still fucking stupid. His plan was pointless, nothing was achieved. Bro could have done a piece talk.
continue this thread →a peace talk to the entire world who just declared war on paradis?
the point of his plan was to save Mikasa and Armin. he achieved it. he never cared about peace. Go read a dictionary, and then go back and read the manga again since your literacy is zero.
Actually the anime showed peace in Paradis lasted for like 700 - 1000 years... which was stupid of them to do. Eren should have succeeded in killing off everything outside of Paradis and then the timeskip ending shows that there is a civil war 100 years or 200 years later. There will always be war, no matter what you do. It doesn't even matter if you kill everyone outside of Paradis. More land and more greed, civil war. It shows Eren's decision was wrong in the end. There is no peace no matter what you do. His friends children or grandchildren still die in the end. This depressing message would have been more better than the message that genocide makes peace last for 700 - 1000 years
I dunno, I feel like with the context of the full speech it's pretty clear he did it simply because he wanted to, to be "free," and him calling himself an idiot was about the deaths of his friends and not about his motivations. His full speech was: "I wanted to level everything. I wanted to see this sight. I don't know why, I just wanted to do it... so very badly. I thought I was doing everything to protect all of you. But Sasha and Hange died because of me, and I wound up putting you in lethal confrontations with Floch. Why did it turn out this way? I finally know. It's because I'm an idiot. A garden-variety idiot who got his hands on power."
And in case Eren's speech was too vague, we know Eren did it because he wanted to, to be free, because Armin explicitly says so after Eren's speech and relates to his desire
the anime LITERALLY tried guessing just to avoid backlash
"im an idiot"
"i did it to portray you as heroes"
"i moved forward for mikasa's choice"
"i dont know why i did it"
"i wanted to see this sight"I think a relatable example might be a long argument.
Ever been in a heated argument with someone? Where you completly lost track of what it was originally was about? But constantly found new points to latch onto and keep the argument going.
Thats my way of seeing how Eren lost his way and tried to justify his actions.
doesn't work if he had concrete reasons from the start, that stayed almost the same throughout the seasons
Idk, but if you ask me i don't think something like a "concrete" reason exists. Motivation and drives change and with that do goals aswell. You said it yourself :"that stayed almost the same"
Sure the end goal for Eren was freedom, but we can't forget all the other goals he had through out his journey and shapped him as a character.
the entire point of the series is that he ddnt have a concrete reason, and it was CONSTANTLY changing.
What are your complaints?
It was improved and it became even better than it already was.Eren's character getting assassinated even more, making paradis look like a steampunk civilization to show that ''well guys a lot of time passed guys, so it wasn't all for nothing!!! (which btw literally implies that having a xenophobic, militaristic fascist government will give your nation thousands of years of prosperity) 7 months for this level of animation? It was average at best, with some shots looking terrible (colossal eren vs armin), the only good thing is that they made Armin's character better, removed the ''thank you for becoming a mass murderer for our sake" and the last mikasa scene is more dramatic which is good, oh yea another thing I hated is how they retconned ANR
what did u think about it? @Several
The objective and the purpose of the story and what Eren does, is to solve one specific conflict, the titan problem i.e. the Eldia-Marley conflict. It wasn't world peace. So the goal was really achieved and it wasn't all for nothing.
Now about Eren, he wasn't the smartest kid and he certainly didn't give the vibes of a stoic mastermind.
I think I didn't spend a lot of time in the community because the only Akatsuki no Requiem I know of is the Linked Horizon song and I don't how it can be retconned; at least its lyrics still hold and I don't think they were contradicted by what happened.By ANR I mean the music video which was made following isayama's instructions, which shows a prospering paradis post full rumbling, with every remaining eldian being free from conflict, u might think "oh so its just that" well Eren in this situation would live the rest of his life in sorrow and agony not being able to fully live out the scenery and freedom he sought to get, it wouldn't be a happy ending, Eren would get what he deserved, which is to suffer for the rest of eternity for his sins
Eren was written as someone who hardened his resolve to reach his objective, no matter what even after death, that's how he was written and if u don't give any signs of it not being true then its bad writing
I get not liking the ending as a whole, but worse than the manga seems like a statement just to hate on it honestly.
I was neutral about it when reading the manga but great music, animation and dialogue changes definetively improved it. Also when nostalgia hits hard is difficult to hate an ending, especially if someone has been watching it from 2013/14.eren saying ''It's just because I'm dumb" made it worse at least for me, I have been watching it from 2016 and reading since 2019, and yet I hate what they did with the story towards the end, ah ma sei italiano, ciao fra
Wow ci sono un bel po' di italiani nel sito, spero potremo discutere del finale civilmente.
Comunque Eren che dice "sono un idiota" a me non è sembrato lontano dal suo carattere nelle prime 3 stagioni, inoltre credo che lui intendesse che in primo luogo era un'idiota perché non è riuscito a trovare una soluzione alternativa come dice nell'anime, in secondo luogo si sente un'idiota perché si pente di quel suo desiderio di radere tutto al suolo, desiderio che si verificherà a prescindere e che non può cambiare perché ormai è già predestinato all'unico scenario possibile.
Il finale per me non ha problemi dal punto di vista della caratterizzazione dei personaggi, anzi, molti alla fine hanno rispecchiato ciò che pensavo sin dall'inizio, l'unica cosa che mi da un po' fastidio è la questione del potere temporale di Eren e di come funziona la timeline, cosa che però non ha detratto troppo dal mio apprezzamento di tale finale, soprattutto perché emotivamente trovo abbia colpito nel punto giusto.
Sicuramente ragionerò di più su questa questione ma intanto non posso che definirmi soddisfatto e un po' triste per la fine di questa serie che mi è stata accanto molto a lungo
Posso comprendere perché tu la pensi in questa maniera, ma onestamente trovo molto insoddisfacente il come si sia risolto tutto, il come alla fine Annie e tutti gli ex membri dell'alleanza che avevano fatto tutti quei danni all'inizio della serie fino a poco prima, abbiano ricevuto il loro finale felice, senza se senza ma
Secondo me Eren non è proprio stato un idiota, lo si può vedere dall'inizio della serie che ha degli obbiettivi ben predisposti, o che è in grado di mettersi un obbiettivo davanti, per poi cercare di portarlo al termine, poi secondo me uno dei plot twist peggiori di sempre, "Eren : Si ho fatto uccidere io mia madre" una cosa inutile fatta solo per aggiungere quel poco shock value, ma e qualcosa che non ha per niente senso.
Onestamente concordo che il finale è emotivo, pure io ai tempi quando lo lessi rimasi colpito, però anche se è emotivo mi importa molto di più della storia, che secondo me è stata rovinata di molto con questo episodio finale
