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[Spoilers] I'm in Love with the Villainess | Episode 11 Discussion
There's an end credits scene; y'all may have missed it, but it's so important.
This episode, seeing it animated, it hurts.
LN spoilers: can we just skip to the part where they get married and have kids please i dont like angst </3
please explain how they have kids? does he magically grow a d?
'does he magically grow a d?'
Adoption is a thing, you know.
They (these are actually spoilers) adopt war orphans (or orphans of some conflict. I forget which exactly.) Two girls. I also wouldn't be surprised if Ralaire gets a humanoid form eventually.but I've only read LNs 1 and 2, so that last point is just a guess on where things will go.
Yeah thats what i thought. Boring. My idea was better. Imagine them both pregnant at the same time thatd be cute.
well I agree with that line of thought, but there's also beauty in giving a home to someone who lost their home
It takes a real bold/crazy/ambitious writer to take the route you described. Though if I wrote it, no D would be involved. No need to get so tied down by "common sense" and Real world foundational principlesyeah sure that's an option too with no D, i'm not hung up on it, the writer so far used same sex relations and incest and class based systems, and there'll probably be some racism too and more, so i see nothing wront with them having kids in whichever magic way the author wants, Fate did it with Saber and no one batted an eye cuz there were more importants thing than a futa
i just wanted them to have their own kids, tho from what i've seen the kids resemble claire a lot so that's a plus
even knowing what would happen it still got me to cry 🥲
always gotta be some drama before peace is secured, aye
im very interested to see how they will turn this around in just 1 episode, although I somehow think they wont and it will be the perfect excuse for a season 2
I take issue with the way Claire is absolved of any responsibility for how Rae feels. If she actually cares about how Rae feels, why is she not taking any initiative herself? Her maid is clearly at her lowest point but she does nothing but continue to be needlessly abrasive. She clearly doesn't want Rae to leave but she isn't doing anything to stop it. Rae has pushed herself tirelessly for Claire this entire time. Rae would cross an ocean for Claire, and Claire wouldn't even step over a puddle now that Rae needs help. When is Claire gonna lift up her side of the couch? I hate that Rae is the only one being framed as a failure here when a relationship is a team effort.
If she actually cares about how Rae feels, why is she not taking any initiative herself?
She clearly doesn't want Rae to leave but she isn't doing anything to stop it
@Teriteko, close but off the mark. That is not what a Tsundere is. One is supposed to be cold maybe violent, BUT gradually show a warm and caring side over time. Claire is a Tsundere in the original sense of the word, but not in the archetypical / caricature personality type.
My guess as to why Claire is not fighting for Rae, is because of her upbringing and her mother's death Likely she thinks there is no point to struggle for things, as struggling in the past acomplished nothing: her parents, her former maid. I mean, she even says "you are going to leave me too? You liar".
The meta reason is: drama. The author has to write some downs ey? Heck, "Manaria Sousse" is literally a Mary Sue in character and name (japanese love their name puns)
Claire doesn't really get her own feelings towards Rae. She also has no clue why Rae is doing all of this. Maybe a part of her is even upset that Rae gave up on her because of some silly duel. Just solidifying her "you're just teasing me and not serious" stance. All it took is one big loss, and Rae's already said "I'm done. I can't do this". So, Rae actually already failed to "cross an ocean". She gave up before she even made it past a lake.
So, Claire's got a combination of "everyone I love disappears from my life(except her daddy I guess, though maybe he got less there after the whole incident)" and "it really was just empty words" pushing against her being able to "lift up her side of the couch".
EDIT
I want to iterate that Rae's actions up till now have not been that much in terms of her opposition. If you really think about it, she's been in pretty much 100% control of everything up till this point (slight fall off of control when that masked person showed up). So she folded the moment she met an actual problem.
Spoilering this to not make it overwhelming
I'll cut to the chase and keep it short (you can read the thread if you want): Manaria may or may not be an internal homophobe, that's what I thought (I kind of needed a reason to hate her after she stole Claire's affection). It's a crazy theory, given that she is pretty securely a lesbian as well, but for some reason there are all these clues that would work out pretty well if this was foreshadowing, and who is to say she doesn't hold the cultural values of the world she lives in?I feared the reason she was pulling Claire away from Rae was because she thought Rae's love is unacceptable as a normal girl towards another one, even immature, the manly-girly balance would just tip off. In other words, she is acting on her own flavour of prejudice (of course I'm not saying tomboy-girly girl pairs are homophobic, that's absurd, but when you consider the context of the world they are in, it's quite alarming, see the next paragraph). When you look at the love rivalry going on, Rae is a (mostly) ordinary girl who simply wants a girlfriend while Manaria is a prince-like, ace of all. In a classical heteronormative view, Manaria would win because she and Claire would at least conform to more heterosexual norms than otherwise. It's interesting how the distant role model characters are always exerting one-sided systemic ways of thought, emotionally tying others to be more 'correct' and 'uptight'.
I know it might seem like I'm jumping steps, but I think it's kind of apt given the series touches a lot on LGBT alienation, the time period and the fact they are literally in a otome dating sim RPG, where all the love options for the female MC are men. If you pair Manaria with Claire, the villainess of the game, they would be a 'wicked' couple. Interesting how the otome game would restrict the yuri couple to one where both of them kind of wicked in their own way. Also interesting is how Manaria considers the love scale legend to be 'romantic', a weirdly narrativised traditional view, could be a coincidence idk.
It's pretty clear from this post that, yeah, I hate Manaria, especially after watching the latest episode. I just hope Rae wins in the next episode and we won't get any 'end-of-season'/'read the LN' cliffhangers. There is a lot more I would say but I thought I could add them in the replies of this post. I feel like I might be seeing a pattern in the numbers but I hope this was constructive.
I'll try my best to avoid LN spoilers, but I can say you are wrong. I think this is clear enough even from what has been condensed in the anime. It's extremely clear in the LN, but maybe the anime isn't putting this across as well. It really feels like the anime went the manga route though, which causes some inconsistencies with things and probably made the "darkness" seem less, well, expected. The LN builds up to everything very well.
It's an interesting perspective, I will say. And if hte anime doesn't make things 100% clear, then you could still say you're right. It doesn't really matter if the LN/Manga go against it, if the anime doesn't. Adaptations have that capabilityI see then. I wonder how the LN builds up to it, the tonal shift is kind of strange, I didn't think about it too much at the time. I imagine there must have been a few side stories before this that connect to the Manaria arc and its themes.
I think the issue with my theory at least on its own is that is leans kind of heavily on meta, invoking the fact that the isekai is a game world made by developers and assuming its very fabric is based on norms that disadvantage Rae, interpreting how yuri tropes are handled in story (not in game) and a few headcanons. For that, I'm going to loosen my conclusion somewhat, Manaria may not be specifically or consciously homophobic herself but she might represent a social instinct against what Rae wants. Though I guess my conclusion still goes farther than most anime watchers.
What parts did I get wrong? I'm a little curious.
