didn't really hate it that much toga might be the most unique character i have seen in long time. her situation is interesting having her biology work against her making her what she is and having her in a situation that she can't be understood by others unlike psychos who do what they do because of their own choice and wanting to feel superior to others, but in her case the closest thing i can think of and i can't believe i am saying this is you know when sometimes you masturbate and it feels good and when you are done you feel like you just did the most disgusting thing ever well that is your mind making you feel good biology you know so toga she just feels the good part and can never stop due to her quirk so it was never her choice to be that way which makes her case really interesting and unique and honestly the people around her made it worse now that i think about it so having ochaco try to reach out to her didn't feel like it came out of nowhere or a bad thing to me at least.

Worst episode of the season LOL?? I didn't think it was perfect by any means. I don't like how the Toga/Ochako arc was split into tiny pieces across several seasons but this conclusion to it I'm very satisfied with.

Best episode this season. I mean, it wasnt really hard to achieve, considering that this whole season sucks, but this one is around top 10 best in whole series.

MHA 7x20 "A Girl's Ego" (8/10)

Screenplay: Yousuke Kuroda Storyboard: Tensai Okamura Episode Director: Tsuyoshi Tobita We almost reached the end of the season and the quality struggles to keep up as the strain on the staff continues. However, it's wonderful to see that they still managed to arrange for these final episodes to be special, even if the limitations are visible. The storyboarder for this episode is Tensai Okamura, the director of the "You're Next" movie, and his talent shows. Even when the series still commits to adapting manga panels 1:1, there is a consistent flow, there are a lot of cool ideas with the camera tracking and the staff put a lot of effort to still convey motion and weight in a setting where the characters are basically floating in space. KA: Akira Iwamoto The boards are also competently processed by the episode director Tsuyoshi Tobita, with great soundtrack placement which brought a lot of intensity to convey the constant escalation with Toga's growing Twice legion. Personally, Uraraka's and Toga's story arc doesn't move me the way the Todoroki family storyline does, so this episode didn't make me super emotional but it was a worthy finish to a storyline starting from very early in season 3, and I like how Toga finally found peace with Uraraka appreciating something about her which has been used in her childhood as a tool to dehumanize her. How we got here is a bit clunky, but I do still like the consistent effort of MHA as a series to humanize even its worst characters, even if it still draws a line depicting them as murderers and horrible criminals. It doesn't change their crimes and that they will have to face consequences for them, but they are nonetheless human and there are reasons why they have become the way they are. The next episode will kick off my favorite portion of the manga, I am extremely excited. For anime-onlies I will warn though, there is a very good chance that this season will end on a nasty cliffhanger. I'm still slightly coping that the final episode might be longer than 24 min but we'll have to see.

I didn't get why Toga wasn't able to copy her team members but was able to copy the heroes.

Also for the OP of this thread, Toga simply copied their physical appearance, she can do that with the league too. She simply struggles to use their QUIRK because her villain mentality makes it difficult for her to maintain her pure love which is the condition to use other's quirks.

i really liked this episode. it feels like a lot of the villains' in this show just needed a hug and someone to say "im sorry that happened to you".

i think toga is like, the first time a villain was actually relatable. cause a lot of times they are like "wow, this guy has a good point, but we have to make him murder people".

I was waiting to see the confrontation between Himiko and Ochako with so much anxiety, now I saw it and I'm crying, it was perfect!

Awesome episode as always cry again like last episode

Toga Vs Ochako is so awful I genuinely think Hori put effort in making it cringe and unbearable.
I can't believe there's actual people who like this part of the story.

While I liked the episode, I definitely agree the ending dialogue was weird and cringe.

It's funny how many of the villain's origins basically come down to "parents bad".

Well what can i say, at least she's fixable

I liked the Cinematics, camera tracking and other animation stuff, that was pretty cool, but the dialogues... ?️??️

Tbh all villains in Boku No Hero are pretty bad, their motivations are absurd, and I can't seem to care about any of them. This one was specially stupid.

Jesus Christ! I just lost some brain cells reading this thread especially the dumbasses complaining about dialogue. No wonder these discussion threads are dead here.

The whole "villain just needs to be talked to" shit should only be done once. Theyve done it now, every other villain should die in battle

I don't even watch MHA anymore I just showed up for the yuri moment, and it was a good yuri moment. I don't care about anything else this shit was for me and the himejoshi

It isn't a bad episode dude , they are trying to bring side characters into the light . Uraraka put on a good fight

Toga deserves a redemption arc. Not absolution, just redemption

The dialogues where terrible. There are many ways to dive into Toga's psyche and trauma, but this one was hard to watch with Ochaco's dialogue.

I really liked the animation and the music tho.

i think many people in this thread are forgetting these girls are like 15 only lmao. im not a big fan of how things went either but the hate is crazy. tbh in mha, i've always liked the villains more than the side hero cast. my top 5 fav is like deku, shiga, dabi, twice and all might. HM are Endeavour and Hawks. anybody else in the show is kinda meh - they're cool but never developed much.

Yeah, the episode really annoyed me too. I wish Stain would finally appear and kill one of the two to put an end to my suffering ?

i totally agree with you

The last two seasons were a pile of hot garbage, this one especially so.
But I disagree with you, this episode wasn't THAT bad, in my opinion.

Obviously, Ochako can't go to her saying "bitch, you are crazy WTF". She's trying to reason with her and she's worried about her as a person, she's asking herself "Why did this girl had to resort to such actions?".
Everything else is as awful as ever in this season: plot holes, plot armor, sensical holes, and logical holes everywhere. The only thing pushing the plot forward is an insane level of "trust me bro" events and some pretty good animations.

The replies here are so funny LMAO all Hero discussion is so terrible. I knew this episode was going to be one of the ones I liked less, but this reaction seems to completely miss the entire point of both characters.

One of the key themes in the show is the importance of good mentorship. All villains (except AFO who's basically a walking allegory) start as blank slates who change based on their environment. The show highlights why their environment is bad in very simple ways. Toga's case is yet another simple one; her parent's clear negligence and prejudice against her mutation lead her to being a murderer. It's clear that Toga did not WANT to kill people, but her quirk forced her to outlet after basically being molded into normalcy.

The story tells us that she had no incidents between killing the bird and killing her classmate, which means that she could have easily sustained off of either donated human blood or animal blood. It's a classic Vampire in society route from any supernatural anime I could pick out of a hat. That means the creation of a murderer falls on the failure of hero society's quirk counseling and prejudice against people with strange afflictions.

Ochako pieced about half of this together, and blamed the quirk counseling instead of Toga. Toga could have been a normal high schooler if she received any proper care from those in charge of her. Being sympathetic towards Toga makes sense because she was basically forced into being labeled a criminal, and she still needed blood to survive after escaping. Her options are turning herself in for a crime her quirk forced her to commit, or escaping and giving in to her quirk.

Dabi, on the other hand, chose to be a murderer. Even if Endeavor was a terrible parent, hero, and an abuser, Dabi had no reason to kill innocent people other than his own ideal. Not being sympathetic towards Dabi also makes sense. His parents can obviously blame themselves, but they still understand that Dabi's choices were his own decisions.

Ochako's line is saying that despite killing people she's still just a regular human like the rest of them. She hasn't changed from being Toga Himeko; the theme of her not choosing a villain name. The point of that character is that she wanted to live as Toga Himeko, quirk and all, and not the girl her parents wanted her to be. It's also probably why she quickly befriended Mag. Saying that she can still be "cute" instead of calling her a "fugly psychopath murderer" is the best way to pacify her, as well as a good showing of how Ochako is looking past Toga to see the root of the problem. It does not make Ochako crazy.

Anyway, I pray that the CGI next episode is good. That's really all I want.

I get what they wanted out of Toga's arc. She was put a step behind at the start with a quirk that just pushes someone down a less than good route. But while the episode tried to frame it one way...the general path taken with her wasn't wrong. The therapist had the delicacy of a sledgehammer but Toga did need therapy. You can't actually let Toga unleash her desires on society. She did need to be reigned in and that would make life tough on her. The majority can live easier within the ruleset of society and she'd have to struggle with it. Her parents did suck to the degree that they weren't remotely patient enough. She had a bad quirk. Sorry to say...but they had a kid that would require a lot of patience and guidance.

That doesn't excuse her actions. It adds context to them, but she still needed to be stopped. Which is why putting it the hands of Ochaco who basically got locked into the one-track topic of "let's talk romance" was worrisome. Thankfully it kind of worked out. But honestly not knocking Toga out as soon as possible was a dangerous choice. I appreciate that Ochaco felt bad about not hearing her out the last time. It wasn't great, but at least it was fun enough seeing her quirk stretch to absurd limits. Wasn't as good a fight as her tournament 1v1 against Bakugo though. That was awesome. This was...eh.

Honestly I just don't care all that much about Toga. And Ochaco got less interesting the more obsessed she got with her. But that fight (Ochaco just tanking hits repeatedly) is over and the story can move along.

Everything about their dialogue aside, I thought the whole sad man's parade was super weak. The goal of it was accomplished, she completely overwhelmed the heroes but there were no consequences it did nothing. She said she wanted to kill them but like, do it then so many were totally covered by your clones. When all the clones got lifted in the air they ended up just disappearing 30 seconds later anyway cause the blood ran out. And she said when she transforms her blood becomes the same as the person she transformed into. Why not get more blood that way? I don't think its a nitpick when these seem like very glaring issues

A lot of ppl seem to complain about them talking about romance/boys/being cute in the middle of a big fight so Im gna respond to the "it doesn't make sense!!" comments.

I do find the impact is lessened bc of how fragmented and sparse their interactions(and Uraraka's introspection) has been building up to this ep, AND it isn't given quite the same level of visual spectacle action-wise, but I don't find their conversation topic to be jarring at all, it makes perfect sense given everything we know abt toga. These things are THE driving force behind toga as a person and a villain.

Uraraka is the one that gets through to Toga BECAUSE she finally realized she couldn't think the way these replies do. To toga these topics hold way more weight than middle school gossip at a sleepover; they are feelings that embody everything society finds wrong about her.
They're "talking love" because Toga's actions stem from a lack of reciprocation or acceptance(which led to one-sided and harmful displays of her affection, and it's why her change of heart is concluded with learning to offer HER blood in return). It's why deku's attempt to rationalize a solution for her earlier in the show failed.

Uraraka doesn't try to overlook anything(such as dabi trying to help erase her painful past) or fit toga into a box (like deku or the adults around her did).
Toga is a murderer and a criminal through and through, uraraka knows that. But she also (now) knows it's NOT because toga is psychotic, or a monster, or born evil. There's a more fundamental flaw with society and these little arcs between todoroki, shoji+koda, uraraka, etc are showing that they're 'true heroes' because they genuinely care how villains got there, including basic longings such as familial acceptance or falling in love. Because they recognize that they could've walked a similar path of resentment had they not found their own moments of acceptance & faith in human nature. That's like a main theme of the show, if not THE main theme.

All the main villains in the league showcase various cases of rejection and ostracization and tbh I was pleasantly surprised at how Toga and the idea of non/normative "love" was handled alongside Dabi and the others.

It wasn’t bad necessarily, but it’s the worst episode of the Season for sure. Honestly, it’s the definition of mid

This was the best episode of the season, are you high or something?