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The Fragrant Flower Blooms With Dignity - Episode 6 Discussion
Another episode with more progress between Rintarou and Kaoruko but also with Subaru. After watching this episode, I won't able to find another romance anime with a great story like this. Most of the good romance anime are "RomCom" genre rather than pure romance. Because of that, for the best pure romance anime tittle, this anime easily takes that place.
Smol Kaoruko and Subaru kawaiii
Both girls in their amazing shot
This episode is truly one for the history books.
Kaoru Hana wa Rin to Saku #06
SB/ED: Katou Makoto 加藤誠
Years from now, when we reach season 3 or 4, we’ll look back and remember just how extraordinary this episode was. Katou Makoto never fails to impress. He gave us one of my all-time favorite episodes with Akebi-chan #02 a couple years ago, and now he has done it again. What a legend. I simply KNEEL. Subaru is such a beautifully written character, so genuine and relatable. This episode shines a spotlight on the depth of her love for Kaoruko while also revealing the harsh self-loathing she battles within. Every single character in Kaoru Hana radiates kindness and warmth. It’s impossible to dislike any of them.I’ll keep saying this over and over again: having Kaoru Hana in my life brings a deeper sense of meaning, reminding me gently that goodness can be found even in the smallest things.
Love the chibi Subaru
I'm not crying, YOU ARE.
A smile from Subaru is all the world needs
I know what is going to happen and it still gets me in my feels, god I love this series. Got me re-reading it again because it is hard to wait a week lmao.
Wow! This episode was the cutest/sweetest thing ever! It's extremely rare for me to tear up during shows, but this episode had me tearing up with the sweetness of it all! I love his anime! Definitely going to pick up the manga at some point very soon! all the characters are SO super likeable!
So much heartfelt feelings, so much friendship, so much love and wholesomeness.
This is why Kaoru Hana is one of my favorite romances. This is why Subaru is absolutely amazing as a character and one of my favorites of her type. Truly best girl until we get to properly meet Madoka.
Cloverworks. Absolutely phenomenal job with this episode. There were so many amazing shots in this, the 3d space rotation on kaoruko, the shots of Subaru's "stains" as she calls it, the zoom out on Subaru as she goes back to insulting herself using the bushes as the "darkness" enclosing around her. The framing of Subaru and Kaoruko to the farthest side of their respective frames while hiding their faces. Amazing work.
I'm not a huge fan of the episode, because it's mostly tapping on what I dislike the most about this show, which is how the characters just overreact to the smallest things. It's just straight out childish most of the time. Even the kid at the end is weird, saying that they look like friends. I mean, huh? Friends? Really?? It just seems like the author is afraid of letting the other girl like him too. lol
Other than that, I hope we go back to the usual flow next week. It's an enjoyable series to watch when it's not doing the softest of dramas ever known to mankind.
Not sure if I will have used the right words here, but...
overreact to the smallest things
Isn't that how many people IRL do as well to some degree? Also it's part of what the story wants to convey, that even the little things count cause of how they can make slight yet notable effects to how people interact and make connections.
It's just straight out childish most of the time.
Even if so, ain't that a trait of most romance / romcom anime in general? Regardless of what you like or dislike about the show, it should be made fair to note that this observation of "childishness" can be easily appliable to other similar shows that you'd otherwise like more, whether or not they're right or wrong for it.
It just seems like the author is afraid of letting the other girl like him too.
I'm confused. Why would Subaru need to have feelings for Rintaro to "make it make sense" in your logic? She care more about Kaoruko here than Rintaro, if anything. There's nothing about the scene that would indicate such a development as a necessity unless if you somehow dig spicy dumb drama, which isn't an intended fortitude.
It's an enjoyable series to watch when it's not doing the softest of dramas ever known to mankind.
It's not like it ever changed up the flow that much, though. Again you'd be surprised at how people IRL can make a big deal out of the smallest things, especially when apologies are a common culturally integrated courtesy in East Asia, especially in Japan. And it's not like we need realism as a main crux to determine the quality of a story, either, it just needs to simply work well and effectively within its own means. After that, everything else is more or less personal preference.
Isn't that how many people IRL do as well to some degree?
Most people don't make a big fuss over such a nothingburger, especially a whole episode's worth. The drama this time just happens to have been the worst one, but this is just common for the story up to this point. Everything is extremely non-confrontational to the point it's silly. There's no attrition to the characters, they're either unreasonable, or not. At least make Kaoruko slightly angry for having Subaru trample over her feelings.
Even if so, ain't that a trait of most romance / romcom anime in general? Regardless of what you like or dislike about the show, you should play fair and note that this "childishness" viewpoint can be easily appliable to other similar shows you'd like most, whether or not they're right or wrong for it.
There's a difference between this and other shows, unless you're comparing it to other shows that are in the same ballpark as this one. When I'm saying this is childish, I mean in the literal sense. Rintarou having some complex over the fact that some kids made fun of him when he was a kid for his family running a cake shop is another example. It's not a big deal, you're a big boy and girl now. There is some degree of maturity expected if you want me to take it seriously. You have anime in your favorites that literally have a more nuanced take on it.
Why would Subaru need to have feelings for Rintaro to "make it make sense" in your logic?
She doesn't. The whole scene was a leading scene. The author already knew what they wanted to happen next, so they made up that scenario with the kid to lead up to the question, regardless of how it would sound like. The whole point is that if you're gonna shut that door, you can do it in better ways other than having some child say they look like good friends. Kids don't understand nuance, but it seems like that boy could, just so that it would smoothly lead into the big moment. My criticism is not that she has to like him, it's that the author wrote the most terrible scene possible to make sure she didn't and that they could now be friends.
For someone who seems to be so "well-read" and "well-watched" as you, I'm surprised that such a plethora of work hasn't given you a more nuanced take on the writing. Unless you're lying about the stuff you watch, but I see no reason why people would do that, so I'll just assume this is one of those things that connect to you somehow. I have mine as well.
Most people don't make a big fuss over such a nothingburger, especially a whole episode's worth. The drama this time just happens to have been the worst one, but this is just common for the story up to this point. Everything is extremely non-confrontational to the point it's silly. There's no attrition to the characters, they're either unreasonable, or not. At least make Kaoruko slightly angry for having Subaru trample over her feelings.
I mean, it depends on individual experiences, but even then, it seems like a pretty major deal since we're talking about what risks Kaoruko are subjected to if the teachers find out and that Subaru's own selfish manners were due to her own personal misfortune as well as wanting to protect Kaoruko. What do you even mean "reasonable or not"? Sure Kaoruko could be a bit upset, even, but that's not in her nature to be especially if she's this understanding of why Subaru did what she did.
When I'm saying this is childish, I mean in the literal sense. Rintarou having some complex over the fact that some kids made fun of him when he was a kid for his family running a cake shop is another example. It's not a big deal, you're a big boy and girl now. There is some degree of maturity expected if you want me to take it seriously. You have anime in your favorites that literally have a more nuanced take on it.
So you're trying to use my own favorites against me, that's funny. Even if those are supposedly more complex, what does that do to devalue this series here? You underestimate how deep mental scars can be even if you've already grown that much older to be supposedly able to get over it. Stuff like what Rintaro goes through isn't something that necessarily just heals up naturally with time.
The author already knew what they wanted to happen next, so they made up that scenario with the kid to lead up to the question, regardless of how it would sound like. The whole point is that if you're gonna shut that door, you can do it in better ways other than having some child say they look like good friends. Kids don't understand nuance, but it seems like that boy could, just so that it would smoothly lead into the big moment. My criticism is not that she has to like him, it's that the author wrote the most terrible scene possible to make sure she didn't and that they could now be friends.
How would a child be able to interpret something about romance? If anything, the more familiar thing a normal elementary schooler would associate Subaru and Rintaro's position would be "someone they get along with well". Romance wouldnt be something a child would immediately make an observation unless they're often put into positions themselves where intimate attraction other than family love is involved.
For someone who seems to be so "well-read" and "well-watched" as you, I'm surprised that such a plethora of work hasn't given you a more nuanced take on the writing. Unless you're lying about the stuff you watch, but I see no reason why people would do that, so I'll just assume this is one of those things that connect to you somehow. I have mine as well.
So basically you have little to no argument and just attack my lists, instead, got it. Go figure, I guess.
it seems like a pretty major deal since we're talking about what risks Kaoruko are subjected to if the teachers find out and that Subaru's own selfish manners were due to her own personal misfortune as well as wanting to protect Kaoruko
I struggle to see the weight you're seeing in this. Nothing happened. She talked to Rintarou, he disagreed. She ate herself up over the fact that Kaoruko might have known that nothing happened. Does she know Kaoruko or not? Subaru herself acknowledges that nothing happened, nothing changed. Even after coming clean, Kaoruko doesn't care because she's such an angel. There were never any stakes in this.
What do you even mean "reasonable or not"?
I meant that no one cares. Every drama up until now is one-sided. They're either acting unreasonable, or not. You may argue about "risks Kaoruko are subjected to if the teachers find out", but that is not even a real thing because it never happened in the story to this point. They establish that can happen, but since it never happened, that as solid as a rumor. The very setting of the story is a bit silly in the first place.
So you're trying to use my own favorites against me, that's funny.
I'm not. Durability test?
You underestimate how deep mental scars can be even if you've already grown that much older to be supposedly able to get over it. Stuff like what Rintaro goes through isn't something that necessarily just heals up naturally with time.
Oh, no, I totally get it. But you forget you're an outsider in the story, so if you want someone to take it seriously, it needs to connect in a general sense. The girl is bad because her hair has anime colors. The boy is bad because his family makes cakes. Might be annoying as a kid, but they're this close to become adults. It doesn't take too much to understand that those are non-issues. It's not like he's the fat boy who was the last to be picked in everything, or the nerdy girl that was bullied by the popular girls at school. Their scars are non-issues they never face in their current life. They're living very normal lives. Let's take it to the other extreme: there is another anime this season called Tsuihousha Shokudou e Youkoso!. How do you get someone to care about the purple loli? You sell her as a sex slave. The blonde girl? You try to get her gang raped. Twintails? She was overworked to the point she tried to kill herself. The blue one? Left to die alone in a dungeon. Now instead of being a non-issue, it's too much of an issue to the point it's silly. Both extremes are completely unreasonable if you think really hard about it.
How would a child be able to interpret something about romance? If anything, the more familiar thing a normal elementary schooler would associate Subaru and Rintaro's position would be "someone they get along with well". Romance wouldnt be something a child would immediately make an observation unless they're often put into positions themselves where intimate attraction other than family love is involved.
Did you go to school? I find that argument honestly crazy to believe. Kids take everything at face value, they don't understand nuance. Kids associate a boy and a girl together as dating all the time. It's even such a common trope in anime itself. Hell, there's even a childhood friend trope in almost every romance/romcom out there. I can't understand why it would be such a foreign concept when it's something that is very much generally agreed upon even in real life. The worst is that it is clearly shown that that boy is playing in an all-male group of friends, so you can't even say "but he has a female friend, so it's natural he would assume they're also friends". I'll even fix it for you: change the group of boys for a girl, add her to the scene. Now you got a working reason for him to associate them as friends, despite the overwhelming amount of real life and fictional evidence that this is not what usually happens. That scene clearly exists only to set up the payoff of their conversation. The writing in this story does that all the time, they set up specific, unreasonable, things to get from one point to the other. That happens when you're writing it backwards, you create the situation to arrive at the ideal scenario, regardless of how that can come across.
So basically you have little to no argument and just attack my lists, instead, got it. Go figure, I guess.
Very weird to think that somehow I'm out to get you. I have written more words than you, yet that's all you get from my text. Go figure, I guess.
I have exhausted all I have to say about this episode, anyway. Like I said, I'm fine if you like it. I'm not trying to make anyone hate it. I'm in the "episode discussion" thread discussing the episode. If you think I'm out to get you, I'm more than happy to not reply any further. You can also go through my list and point a couple fingers if that makes you feel better about me "attacking" (?) you. Almost full circle to the point I was making about this episode, though!
Nothing happened. She talked to Rintarou, he disagreed. She ate herself up over the fact that Kaoruko might have known that nothing happened. Does she know Kaoruko or not? Subaru herself acknowledges that nothing happened, nothing changed. Even after coming clean, Kaoruko doesn't care because she's such an angel. There were never any stakes in this.
Even if there's no stakes, it's not meaningless with trying to reach closure and clear up any misunderstandings between two sides. You can't act like absolutely nothing of progress was made here.
I meant that no one cares. Every drama up until now is one-sided. They're either acting unreasonable, or not. You may argue about "risks Kaoruko are subjected to if the teachers find out", but that is not even a real thing because it never happened in the story to this point. They establish that can happen, but since it never happened, that as solid as a rumor. The very setting of the story is a bit silly in the first place.
You have a bit of a point with the setting of a story being "ridiculous" in terms of the Romeo-Juliet setup, but again, how would such a line of logic not be applicable to every other story for that matter? I don't understand how they "don't care"....it's still a real thing, why else would there be this sense of hostility and divide between the two schools to begin with?
I'm not. Durability test?
Thanks, you basically confirmed my point.
But you forget you're an outsider in the story, so if you want someone to take it seriously, it needs to connect in a general sense. The girl is bad because her hair has anime colors. The boy is bad because his family makes cakes. Might be annoying as a kid, but they're this close to become adults. It doesn't take too much to understand that those are non-issues. It's not like he's the fat boy who was the last to be picked in everything, or the nerdy girl that was bullied by the popular girls at school. Their scars are non-issues they never face in their current life. They're living very normal lives. Let's take it to the other extreme: there is another anime this season called Tsuihousha Shokudou e Youkoso!. How do you get someone to care about the purple loli? You sell her as a sex slave. The blonde girl? You try to get her gang raped. Twintails? She was overworked to the point she tried to kill herself. The blue one? Left to die alone in a dungeon. Now instead of being a non-issue, it's too much of an issue to the point it's silly. Both extremes are completely unreasonable if you think really hard about it.
This is still a terrible line of logic and even worse example. You're comparing a pure fantasy to a romance with comparing slightly reminiscent cases, and not only that, you're regurgitating and doubling down on context that I already gave a valid answer. Dont act like you understand the position if you're gonna approach it like that.
Did you go to school? I find that argument honestly crazy to believe. Kids take everything at face value, they don't understand nuance. Kids associate a boy and a girl together as dating all the time. It's even such a common trope in anime itself. Hell, there's even a childhood friend trope in almost every romance/romcom out there. I can't understand why it would be such a foreign concept when it's something that is very much generally agreed upon even in real life. The worst is that it is clearly shown that that boy is playing in an all-male group of friends, so you can't even say "but he has a female friend, so it's natural he would assume they're also friends". I'll even fix it for you: change the group of boys for a girl, add her to the scene. Now you got a working reason for him to associate them as friends, despite the overwhelming amount of real life and fictional evidence that this is not what usually happens. That scene clearly exists only to set up the payoff of their conversation. The writing in this story does that all the time, they set up specific, unreasonable, things to get from one point to the other. That happens when you're writing it backwards, you create the situation to arrive at the ideal scenario, regardless of how that can come across.
Even if so, what's wrong with the case of one particular kid observing things differently? It's not that uncommon and it's not something that is necessarily shoehorned in, is it? Hell there is even an opposite case of a cliche where the kid would just think of the childhood friend as something platonic in nature and not much more. Again, this is just more doubling down and completely disregarding the points I made earlier...on top of even questioning my own personal knowledge and experience.
Very weird to think that somehow I'm out to get you. I have written more words than you, yet that's all you get from my text. Go figure, I guess. I have exhausted all I have to say about this episode, anyway. Like I said, I'm fine if you like it. I'm not trying to make anyone hate it. I'm in the "episode discussion" thread discussing the episode. If you think I'm out to get you, I'm more than happy to not reply any further. You can also go through my list and point a couple fingers if that makes you feel better about me "attacking" (?) you. Almost full circle to the point I was making about this episode, though!
Why would I do that? You are the one on the offense if anything. When i said "shows you like" in the first comment, I meant it in very general term, not even once in regards to your own lists and favorites. Idk why you feel like you are more in the right here.
So TLDR, you have a good point or two, but you argue in circles and double down without a decent counterargument. Got it. Have a good day.
best 24 minutes and 30 secconds of my life. The only part I hate about this anime is how its gonna make every other romance anime i watch after feel like utter crap compared to this masterpiece. The level of depth and "humaness" is unparalleled compared to any anime that ive watched (that i remember). Seeing Hoshino Subaru's development throughout this episode was an absolute rollercoaster of emotions and it got me tearing up. This Story has me caring about the characters more than I ever had for any anime before this. I love the dynamic that Subaru and Waguri have, how they care and protect eachother in their own ways adds so much to the story as a whole. Not to mention how the animation symbolized her struggles. There is a lot more I could say, but im gonna end my glazing here. peak show, everyone should watch this.
Easily my favourite episode, never thought in a million years subaru would open up like that. Btw waguri is strong, one arm dead hang on the monkey bars (゜ロ゜)
You know when the episode opens up with a scene like this with the blue flower motif, it's going to be absolutely amazing.
Super super wholesome episode.
Subaru truly understands her mistakes from the previous episode and she's able to strive towards becoming better. It's going to take time but she can now take one step forward in that direction.
This line really hits hard. Rintarou truly cares not only for Waguri but also for the people she cares about.
The walls dividing Kikyo and Chidori are down for all the major characters. I can't wait to see what's in store for next episode.
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what manga chapter is this ep? i wanna read
Episode 6 adapted Volume 2 from chapter 10 to 12.
Great episode ngl, the show has me kept on the edge of the seat. The scene in which the Kaori says without any hesitation that she likes him is just the thing I needed to fall in love with the story.
The way the chibi characters are added for humor is just the cherry on the top. The scene "I am not Kaori's mother" burst me laughing.
The story is progressing gradually. The OP shows Subaru and Karoi hanging out with the guys. Haven't read the manga, but i am shipping Saku and Subaru as second couple. Hopefully Kaori and Rintaro don't keep us waiting for too long.
Until next time ✌
I don't know if I like Kaoruko's reaction. Not gonna lie, Subaru was acting like a bad person toward her; she was selfish. That whole talk about wanting her to succeed is very bad behavior toward another human being, as if she were an object she wanted to keep all to herself. The reaction was basically, "It's okay, I understand," and "I'm sorry"? What? Shit is really upside down. I mean, it would be good for her to be understanding, but the way the series is written, I'm afraid Kaoruko is going to end up as the all-understanding, submissive character. Please prove me wrong, because I'd appreciate what I've seen so far.
